To the British guys in the forum...

mic1184 · 09-18-07, 09:38 AM

hey, i - as a german - just wanted to say sorry for all that stuff! you know, sinking your ships and the like. I hope you dont hate us anymore (like the french). ;-)

okay, seriously, i was just thinking about that kinda stuff, how you feel as a british playing SH3.

in all other WW2 games that i've been playing (call of duty, medal of honor, company of heroes, etc) the player's role was always the allies side, because they were the "good boys" in the war. i didnt have the feeling i was playing against my home country, as no german would identify her- or himself with the third reich (well, no one reasonable at least, but thats another subject).

i've been playing SH3 for quite a long time now (nearly a year) and today was the FIRST time i thought something was weird. only today (installing Racerboy's flag-and-pennants-mod, seeing the kriegsflagge with the swastica on it) i realised that its the only game in which you solitarily play on the fascist side. i can imagine that this could be a bit weird for esp. you British, isnt it?

maybe i just have a weird day. greetz mic

ReallyDedPoet · 09-18-07, 09:46 AM

This topic has been discussed in the past here. As a Canadian ( and under British authority in WWII ) , this country was heavily involved in WWII Atlantic Theatre via the RCN, we played a big role in the Battle of the Atlantic, and I am certainly proud of this countries' contribution.

That being said, SH3 is just a game in the end for me, thus I have no problem being in the SH3 Kriegsmarine.

RDP

joea · 09-18-07, 09:57 AM

Yup, no problem playing SH3 or any other game from the Axis side for this Greek-Canadian. For example, I can play games involving the invasion of Crete from the Axis side as well, it's interesting, fun and educational.

3Jane · 09-18-07, 10:00 AM

It's a very involved question, and I am not sure I have ever reached a solution which addresses it fully. Oddly enough it feels less uncomfortable playing the roll of a German vessel than it would be if the submarine were a russian one of the same period. I doubt I would if that were that case.

STEED · 09-18-07, 10:21 AM

WW2 ended over 60 years ago and is now part of our history and I don't hold anything against the Germans and anyway they fell under the control of a evil party which ended in May 1945. As for the game it's just a game thats all and if anyone who have trouble separating fact from fiction well that's between you and what ever. SH3 is a game which is fun and yet many people have sat down and thought they wanted to learn about the real events of WW2 so thats not a bad idea if the game keeps an interest in history alive.

Vacillator · 09-18-07, 10:35 AM

Although I'm British, I've always had a greater interest in the weapons and activities of the German armed forces in WW2 than those of any other nation. Don't ask me why, but it's certainly nothing political. Echoing comments above, to me it's done and dusted, no point holding grudges or judging people for things that happened outside of their control so long ago.

Sailor Steve · 09-18-07, 10:40 AM

American here, not British, but the u-boats sank a lot of our ships too, so I get my say:p .

I've always loved the machinery, and I've played tabletop wargames for more than 30 years. When I play airplane games I'll fly any side - German, Japanese, American, British and more. I love the machines, so I try to play with them all.

Same with naval games; be they board, tabletop or computer: It's the ships and their history that I love.

I'd better have that attitude, or Das Boot wouldn't be one of my favorite movies!:rotfl:

papa_smurf · 09-18-07, 01:38 PM

As a Brit, im not at all bothered playing as a German U-boat commander. Im more interested in the history/technological achievements of that period, rather than political situation of that time.

Also im rather glad to play as a German, as most war sim games i've played heavily lean towards the allies. So I find this game a breath of fresh air, as it gives you a different perspective on WW2

StarFox · 09-18-07, 03:20 PM

ITS A GAME

just because you play on the German Side, dosent make you a Nazi

that goes for every WWII game, not just Silent Hunter

Kapitan_Phillips · 09-18-07, 05:20 PM

SH3 actually got me really interested in the German side of the Atlantic campaign, and hey, the German grunt went through the same hell ours did.

Hakahura · 09-18-07, 07:04 PM

I'm British and have no problem playing for the "wrong team".
I play for the challenge, not to pretend I'm German.

Mush Martin · 09-18-07, 07:17 PM

I can make My u boat part of the RN or RCN if I Feel like it.

To me ordinary people do most of the fighting and dying in war.
The social upsweep of the times in your country were extrodinary
and people were desperate at first and scared after that in some
measure I believe. Yes the Regime was uhm extreme. but to watch
film of the July 1939 arts festival in Munich is most astounding for
just how ordinary everything seems.

To me and my mind we should remember our kameraden.

but the game is just a game and Im a subdriver with a passion
for pre atomic boats. I will take any game in town with merit and
twist it into what I want it to be. I am a modder after all, so ideology
kind of goes by the wayside.

M

joegrundman · 09-18-07, 11:11 PM

Besides, the more interesting question is how do you as a German feel playing this game?

Redbear · 09-24-07, 10:20 AM

I'm an American whose family members fought in WWII as well. I don't think you can condem an entire nation's population for it's leadership. Both the allied and axis side had honorable people who fought bravely for their country. Both sides also did some less than honorable things. Not to say that I want to debate who was 'worse', since that's really not the point, and it's a meaningless discussion. The point is that I can appreciate the dedication of the average German soldier fighting for his country just as I can the Americans, British, etc. SH3 is a game and it honors the courage of both sides. As far as being just 'from the German side', heck, I've gotten sunk enough in my U-Boat to make any allied fan proud!

Skyhawk · 09-24-07, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redbear

I'm an American whose family members fought in WWII as well. I don't think you can condem an entire nation's population for it's leadership. Both the allied and axis side had honorable people who fought bravely for their country. Both sides also did some less than honorable things. Not to say that I want to debate who was 'worse', since that's really not the point, and it's a meaningless discussion. The point is that I can appreciate the dedication of the average German soldier fighting for his country just as I can the Americans, British, etc. SH3 is a game and it honors the courage of both sides. As far as being just 'from the German side', heck, I've gotten sunk enough in my U-Boat to make any allied fan proud!

Couldn't agree with you more.

Further, I think the original topic is moot (no disrespect to the OP). It just seems illogical to me that gamers from the "Allied" side of the house who might be sensitive playing SH3 would in fact buy and continue playing it if it bothered them to a substantial degree.

Didn't say it wasn't an interesting question, didn't disrespect this discussion in anyway or those who have participated in it. Simply stated that IMHO the original question is moot.

09-18-07, 09:38 AM	#1
mic1184 Mate Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany Posts: 52 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	To the British guys in the forum... hey, i - as a german - just wanted to say sorry for all that stuff! you know, sinking your ships and the like. I hope you dont hate us anymore (like the french). ;-) okay, seriously, i was just thinking about that kinda stuff, how you feel as a british playing SH3. in all other WW2 games that i've been playing (call of duty, medal of honor, company of heroes, etc) the player's role was always the allies side, because they were the "good boys" in the war. i didnt have the feeling i was playing against my home country, as no german would identify her- or himself with the third reich (well, no one reasonable at least, but thats another subject). i've been playing SH3 for quite a long time now (nearly a year) and today was the FIRST time i thought something was weird. only today (installing Racerboy's flag-and-pennants-mod, seeing the kriegsflagge with the swastica on it) i realised that its the only game in which you solitarily play on the fascist side. i can imagine that this could be a bit weird for esp. you British, isnt it? maybe i just have a weird day. greetz mic __________________ Thanks for all those wonderful mods

09-18-07, 09:46 AM	#2
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,890 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	This topic has been discussed in the past here. As a Canadian ( and under British authority in WWII ) , this country was heavily involved in WWII Atlantic Theatre via the RCN, we played a big role in the Battle of the Atlantic, and I am certainly proud of this countries' contribution. That being said, SH3 is just a game in the end for me, thus I have no problem being in the SH3 Kriegsmarine. RDP __________________ Back in the Day

09-18-07, 10:00 AM	#4
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's a very involved question, and I am not sure I have ever reached a solution which addresses it fully. Oddly enough it feels less uncomfortable playing the roll of a German vessel than it would be if the submarine were a russian one of the same period. I doubt I would if that were that case. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

09-18-07, 10:21 AM	#5
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	WW2 ended over 60 years ago and is now part of our history and I don't hold anything against the Germans and anyway they fell under the control of a evil party which ended in May 1945. As for the game it's just a game thats all and if anyone who have trouble separating fact from fiction well that's between you and what ever. SH3 is a game which is fun and yet many people have sat down and thought they wanted to learn about the real events of WW2 so thats not a bad idea if the game keeps an interest in history alive. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

09-18-07, 10:40 AM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	American here, not British, but the u-boats sank a lot of our ships too, so I get my say:p . I've always loved the machinery, and I've played tabletop wargames for more than 30 years. When I play airplane games I'll fly any side - German, Japanese, American, British and more. I love the machines, so I try to play with them all. Same with naval games; be they board, tabletop or computer: It's the ships and their history that I love. I'd better have that attitude, or Das Boot wouldn't be one of my favorite movies!:rotfl: __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-18-07, 09:57 AM	#3
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Yup, no problem playing SH3 or any other game from the Axis side for this Greek-Canadian. For example, I can play games involving the invasion of Crete from the Axis side as well, it's interesting, fun and educational.

09-18-07, 10:35 AM	#6
Vacillator Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 307 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Although I'm British, I've always had a greater interest in the weapons and activities of the German armed forces in WW2 than those of any other nation. Don't ask me why, but it's certainly nothing political. Echoing comments above, to me it's done and dusted, no point holding grudges or judging people for things that happened outside of their control so long ago.

09-18-07, 01:38 PM	#8
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	As a Brit, im not at all bothered playing as a German U-boat commander. Im more interested in the history/technological achievements of that period, rather than political situation of that time. Also im rather glad to play as a German, as most war sim games i've played heavily lean towards the allies. So I find this game a breath of fresh air, as it gives you a different perspective on WW2 Last edited by papa_smurf; 09-18-07 at 01:53 PM.

09-18-07, 03:20 PM	#9
StarFox Engineer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado, USA Posts: 216 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	ITS A GAME just because you play on the German Side, dosent make you a Nazi that goes for every WWII game, not just Silent Hunter __________________ Devoted fan of the SS United States, America's Flagship! I dream of her second life....

09-18-07, 05:20 PM	#10
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	SH3 actually got me really interested in the German side of the Atlantic campaign, and hey, the German grunt went through the same hell ours did. __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

09-18-07, 07:04 PM	#11
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm British and have no problem playing for the "wrong team". I play for the challenge, not to pretend I'm German. __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

09-18-07, 07:17 PM	#12
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I can make My u boat part of the RN or RCN if I Feel like it. To me ordinary people do most of the fighting and dying in war. The social upsweep of the times in your country were extrodinary and people were desperate at first and scared after that in some measure I believe. Yes the Regime was uhm extreme. but to watch film of the July 1939 arts festival in Munich is most astounding for just how ordinary everything seems. To me and my mind we should remember our kameraden. but the game is just a game and Im a subdriver with a passion for pre atomic boats. I will take any game in town with merit and twist it into what I want it to be. I am a modder after all, so ideology kind of goes by the wayside. M __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

09-18-07, 11:11 PM	#13
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Besides, the more interesting question is how do you as a German feel playing this game? __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

09-24-07, 10:20 AM	#14
Redbear Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 208 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	I'm an American whose family members fought in WWII as well. I don't think you can condem an entire nation's population for it's leadership. Both the allied and axis side had honorable people who fought bravely for their country. Both sides also did some less than honorable things. Not to say that I want to debate who was 'worse', since that's really not the point, and it's a meaningless discussion. The point is that I can appreciate the dedication of the average German soldier fighting for his country just as I can the Americans, British, etc. SH3 is a game and it honors the courage of both sides. As far as being just 'from the German side', heck, I've gotten sunk enough in my U-Boat to make any allied fan proud!