Any way to tone down the AI in GWX?

Bosk · 09-09-07, 07:13 AM

I'm a huge fan of GWX and think it's a wonderful mod. But the enemy destroyers are killing me over & over and I'm wondering if there's any way I can revert to the stock AI until I have a bit more experience at evading them?

Thanks for your help!

slow_n_ez · 09-09-07, 09:34 AM

Hummm... not so sure if thats possible or not ..... I am still in the year 1940 but from past experience just using stock SH3 they are easy to avoid ..... when they get too close just go to silent running and if thats not enough drop the knots to 1 or stop engines and change to a deeper depth .......

edit : Just remember ... they have a sonar guy " listening " just as you do .... keep your noise down ...

melnibonian · 09-09-07, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosk

I'm a huge fan of GWX and think it's a wonderful mod. But the enemy destroyers are killing me over & over and I'm wondering if there's any way I can revert to the stock AI until I have a bit more experience at evading them?

Thanks for your help!

There are two ways to do this. Either you remove GWX from your computer or you read this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=104377 and try to get better. Trust me mate I used to play 20% realism but ever since GWX came out I've learned to think and operate as a U-Boat Captain. Stick with it and you will love it after a while

TAW_CZAREJS · 09-09-07, 11:26 AM

Bosk. I've been playing for two years now and with GWX I get wasted within two or three patrols even now. Don't take it personal them tin cans are just doing their job.

Leave the AI alone its the only way to learn.

Penelope_Grey · 09-09-07, 02:59 PM

The AI is smart... but not unbeatable. The best tips to evade Destroyers for the new GWX player are things I did...

1) use the external cam (and before anybody jumps on me from 20,000 feet and says "Oh thats cheating) well I disagree, I see it as using every available resource your game settings allow you.

2) Put the original U-mark back.

3) Keep your distance from destroyers and prior to 1942 when attacking ships. do so at night and when stalking close to a convoy set your depth to 6m so that your boat is low in the water.

ReallyDedPoet · 09-09-07, 05:23 PM

Welcome to SUBSIM Bosk

RDP

java`s revenge · 09-10-07, 06:23 AM

Somewhere on the forum you can download a sim/sensor file to tone down the
ai to reality. But i can`t find it now either. Somewhere i have it on any of my cd`s.

Adriatico · 09-10-07, 06:32 AM

I can acces sensors file trogh SH minitweaker, but can ANYBODY say:
Which values should be modified ?
What are respective GWX values ?

ANYBODY ?

danlisa · 09-10-07, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by java`s revenge

Somewhere on the forum you can download a sim/sensor file to tone down the
ai to reality. But i can`t find it now either. Somewhere i have it on any of my cd`s.

I think you are refering to CB's Sensor Mod (aka SH3's Tiniest Ever Mod).

I'll forewarn anyone using this mod, it effectively turns off all AI sensors except one and the one that's left on, is always on, regardless of whether you have been spotted or not.

There is a second option, Rubini's Mod. This extends the sensor range of the players boat. However, again certain aspects of GWX will not work as billed if this mod is used. Due to this reason, it will not be included in the upcoming 1.04.

Either way, if you are finding GWX too hard in terms of AI capabilty, read (as suggested) the GWX Uber AI Demystifed Sticky. It will help you immensly to understand the capabilities of the AI.

onelifecrisis · 09-09-07, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosk

I'm a huge fan of GWX and think it's a wonderful mod. But the enemy destroyers are killing me over & over and I'm wondering if there's any way I can revert to the stock AI until I have a bit more experience at evading them?

Thanks for your help!

1. Make sure you're using SH3 Commander.
2. Dive as deep as you dare!

As explained in the "GWX Uber AI Demystified" thread, SH3 Commander simulates thermal layers. Thermal layer = get out of jail free card.

Friedl9te · 09-10-07, 10:49 AM

Maybe you find something here.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=103913

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=255

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...84&postcount=1

Pablo · 09-10-07, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosk

I'm a huge fan of GWX and think it's a wonderful mod. But the enemy destroyers are killing me over & over and I'm wondering if there's any way I can revert to the stock AI until I have a bit more experience at evading them?

Thanks for your help!

Hi!

You might want to take a look in the GWX Manual at Appendix C: "Surviving Antisubmarine Warfare in GWX" to see if there's anything there that can help you.

Pablo

java`s revenge · 09-11-07, 12:26 PM

Ok i am convinced but still thinking the you meet only convoys later in the war.

But i can survive. I have no problems with the destroyers. I use my tactic to
make much noise and when a destroyer is about 400 mtrs away from me i
torpedoe him.

With my new campaign i am in may 1942
and i am playing 100%.

ming · 09-13-07, 11:17 AM

I eventually had to use better tactics and engage when I was able to gain the tactical advantage. I use sniper tactics...shoot and scoot. As soon as I have fired all torps from bow tubes (a couple of fish for each target attacking the furthest target first to try to get hits as simulteneous as possible) I dive and move away as fast as I can and as quiet as I can. If I execute properly, I get 3 boats before they start looking for me and I am no longer in the area where I fired from. Dont get greedy to get k's...there are always more convoys and other coastal hot spots to get single merchants. I get killed far more by running into a destroyer in the fog or by air power than I do from attacking convoys. If I didnt die from time to time I would get bored. The ai is solid...its a sim!

bigboywooly · 09-13-07, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ming

I eventually had to use better tactics and engage when I was able to gain the tactical advantage. I use sniper tactics...shoot and scoot. As soon as I have fired all torps from bow tubes (a couple of fish for each target attacking the furthest target first to try to get hits as simulteneous as possible) I dive and move away as fast as I can and as quiet as I can. If I execute properly, I get 3 boats before they start looking for me and I am no longer in the area where I fired from. Dont get greedy to get k's...there are always more convoys and other coastal hot spots to get single merchants. I get killed far more by running into a destroyer in the fog or by air power than I do from attacking convoys. If I didnt die from time to time I would get bored. The ai is solid...its a sim!

Think like a uboat Kpt

09-09-07, 07:13 AM	#1
Bosk Watch Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ballarat, Australia. Posts: 28 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Any way to tone down the AI in GWX? I'm a huge fan of GWX and think it's a wonderful mod. But the enemy destroyers are killing me over & over and I'm wondering if there's any way I can revert to the stock AI until I have a bit more experience at evading them? Thanks for your help!

09-09-07, 09:34 AM	#2
slow_n_ez Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Astoria , Oregon Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hummm... not so sure if thats possible or not ..... I am still in the year 1940 but from past experience just using stock SH3 they are easy to avoid ..... when they get too close just go to silent running and if thats not enough drop the knots to 1 or stop engines and change to a deeper depth ....... edit : Just remember ... they have a sonar guy " listening " just as you do .... keep your noise down ... Last edited by slow_n_ez; 09-09-07 at 11:34 AM.

09-09-07, 11:26 AM	#4
TAW_CZAREJS A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 72 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Bosk. I've been playing for two years now and with GWX I get wasted within two or three patrols even now. Don't take it personal them tin cans are just doing their job. Leave the AI alone its the only way to learn. __________________

09-09-07, 02:59 PM	#5
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The AI is smart... but not unbeatable. The best tips to evade Destroyers for the new GWX player are things I did... 1) use the external cam (and before anybody jumps on me from 20,000 feet and says "Oh thats cheating) well I disagree, I see it as using every available resource your game settings allow you. 2) Put the original U-mark back. 3) Keep your distance from destroyers and prior to 1942 when attacking ships. do so at night and when stalking close to a convoy set your depth to 6m so that your boat is low in the water. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

09-09-07, 05:23 PM	#6
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,890 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Welcome to SUBSIM Bosk RDP __________________ Back in the Day

09-10-07, 06:23 AM	#7
java`s revenge Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: at periscope depth Posts: 1,204 Downloads: 97 Uploads: 0	Somewhere on the forum you can download a sim/sensor file to tone down the ai to reality. But i can`t find it now either. Somewhere i have it on any of my cd`s. __________________

09-10-07, 06:32 AM	#8
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	I can acces sensors file trogh SH minitweaker, but can ANYBODY say: Which values should be modified ? What are respective GWX values ? ANYBODY ?

09-10-07, 10:49 AM	#11
Friedl9te Lieutenant Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Austria Posts: 268 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Maybe you find something here. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=103913 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=255 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...84&postcount=1 __________________ Gute Jagd Ihr Himmelhunde Friedl9te Friedl9te SilentHunter III Help Thread (Sorry in German)

09-11-07, 12:26 PM	#13
java`s revenge Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: at periscope depth Posts: 1,204 Downloads: 97 Uploads: 0	Ok i am convinced but still thinking the you meet only convoys later in the war. But i can survive. I have no problems with the destroyers. I use my tactic to make much noise and when a destroyer is about 400 mtrs away from me i torpedoe him. With my new campaign i am in may 1942 and i am playing 100%. __________________

09-13-07, 11:17 AM	#14
ming Loader Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 90 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	I eventually had to use better tactics and engage when I was able to gain the tactical advantage. I use sniper tactics...shoot and scoot. As soon as I have fired all torps from bow tubes (a couple of fish for each target attacking the furthest target first to try to get hits as simulteneous as possible) I dive and move away as fast as I can and as quiet as I can. If I execute properly, I get 3 boats before they start looking for me and I am no longer in the area where I fired from. Dont get greedy to get k's...there are always more convoys and other coastal hot spots to get single merchants. I get killed far more by running into a destroyer in the fog or by air power than I do from attacking convoys. If I didnt die from time to time I would get bored. The ai is solid...its a sim!