The question about the course of target

558800 · 08-17-07, 12:36 AM

I don't know how to educe the course of target. So please tell me how I can estimate the course of target(I'll estimate AOB by it). Thank you!

LukeFF · 08-17-07, 02:10 AM

You get it when you ask for a speed estimate from your plotting team.

558800 · 08-17-07, 02:43 AM

Where is my plotting team?

C DuDe · 08-17-07, 04:43 AM

Your plotting team are: Miss Compass, Mr. ruler, Lord. gum (very important), Madame triangle.. on you map.
Who do you think is going to plot the vessels course.

But seriously, when you get a map contact and click on the square you'll see the heading of the unknown.. going (for example NE) and speed (for example fast).

Now, open your Compass and take the ruler out and plot an estimate course NE (which is 45*) over the contact. (mind you this is a very rough estimate and needs to be adjusted over time).

If you mean getting a bearing when at closer range, you can do that with the sonar (go round with the pointer until you here the vessel) look at the top left side of the screen at sonar station and you'll see its heading.

Or at attack range get a distance estimate (twice with an interval of 30sec. at least), get a speed estimate and then add the AOB which is given to you by the good crew you have. Set AOB and the plot is done!

Capt. Shark Bait · 08-17-07, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by C DuDe

Your plotting team are: Miss Compass, Mr. ruler, Lord. gum (very important), Madame triangle...

and they would like tea and scones promptly at 1600hrs:p

amurph182 · 08-17-07, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by C DuDe

Your plotting team are: Miss Compass, Mr. ruler, Lord. gum (very important), Madame triangle.. on you map.

actually, by plotting team I think he meant when you click the "estimate speed" button on the TDC input tool you are given an estimate of the target's course and speed.

After you take two range measurements and click the estimate speed button, you get something like "target speed 5 knots, course 285". You then send that to the tdc and adjust the AOB accordingly.

cali03boss · 08-17-07, 11:10 AM

1)Go under water.
2) mark your position
3) locate target via hydrophone
4) ping target
5) record distance
6) convert distance to nautical miles
7) record bearing
8) draw a line from your point out to the edge of your bearing chart
9) zoom out on the map and draw a new line from your point parallel (or over) your first bearing line all the way out to the desired nautical mile distance.

That is your relative mark on target.

Do the same procedure every 5 minutes two or three times and you get a general course.

558800 · 08-17-07, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by amurph182

After you take two range measurements and click the estimate speed button, you get something like "target speed 5 knots, course 285". You then send that to the tdc and adjust the AOB accordingly.

But,before you get "target speed 5 knots, course 285" ,you have to take two range measurements and two aob measurements . So that two aob measurements how to get?

cali03boss · 08-17-07, 01:30 PM

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you have to take two range measurements and two aob measurements

point eye ball mark.

amurph182 · 08-17-07, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 558800

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Originally Posted by amurph182

After you take two range measurements and click the estimate speed button, you get something like "target speed 5 knots, course 285". You then send that to the tdc and adjust the AOB accordingly.

But,before you get "target speed 5 knots, course 285" ,you have to take two range measurements and two aob measurements . So that two aob measurements how to get?

no. you ONLY have to take range. Take range, send to tdc. Wait a few minutes. Take another range, send to tdc. Click on the speed estimate tool and click the button to estimate speed. It will tell you the course and speed. You do NOT need to get AOB or ANYTHING other that range (which also gets bearing) in order to have the course and speed estimate.

This is how it works with patch 1.3. There's a sticky on it right at the top of the first page of this forum.

558800 · 08-17-07, 07:32 AM

Oh ,thank you! And can I estimate the course or AOB by the periscope's reading?

558800 · 08-17-07, 02:36 PM

no. you ONLY have to take range. Take range, send to tdc. Wait a few minutes. Take another range, send to tdc. Click on the speed estimate tool and click the button to estimate speed. It will tell you the course and speed. You do NOT need to get AOB or ANYTHING other that range (which also gets bearing) in order to have the course and speed estimate.

This is how it works with patch 1.3. There's a sticky on it right at the top of the first page of this forum.

I see .thank you!
If only taken the course,so aob is easy to take.

amurph182 · 08-17-07, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 558800

I see .thank you!
If only taken the course,so aob is easy to take.

exactly. just make sure that after you click the button to get the course and speed estimate that you click the button next to that to send it to the tdc. I've forgotten to do that a few times.

Seadogs · 08-17-07, 05:50 PM

Additional question(s),

My standimeter marks are always crap and so my speed estimates are crap. I lock target and line up the overlays waterline with the highest point of the visable target. Any additional pointers?

And how can I reset the data for a new course and speed estimate so that my old, previous crappy mark does not interfere with my new estimate?

amurph182 · 08-17-07, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Seadogs

Additional question(s),

My standimeter marks are always crap and so my speed estimates are crap. I lock target and line up the overlays waterline with the highest point of the visable target. Any additional pointers?

And how can I reset the data for a new course and speed estimate so that my old, previous crappy mark does not interfere with my new estimate?

a) not really. I have problems too sometimes. Look at the target in the identification book...does it show the tops of the mast be a bit higher than what you see through the scope? Sometimes it can be hard to see the very top of the masts if they're a light color or you're too far away. Merchants would paint their masts different colors in real life to cause just this kind of problem. Also, if you are too far away you may not see the actual waterline. Same problem in heavy sees. Make sure you're actually able to see the waterline. Finally, make sure you've identified the target correctly.

The next time you're tracking a single target, take some time to compare your range estimates with what you can see on the map with map updates turned on. Estimate range, and then measure it on the map. See how they match up. If you're getting a range that is too high, you're bringing the image down too far and not lining it up with the actual top of the mast. If the range is too low, you're not bringing the image down far enough.

It can seem like it just doesn't work, but once you get it right a couple of times it's pretty easy.

b) I'm not sure myself. It's annoying to get a somewhat accurate range measurement and then see "speed 98 knots". I THINK that it uses your last two measurements. If it just doesn't seem to be working then wait two or three minutes from your last "estimate speed" click and get the range. Then wait another two or three and get it again. then check speed. THis usually works for me when I've completely screwed it up.

But if you haven't been detected, feel free to just shut it down, put some distance between yourself and the target and start the approach again. It's slower, but much easier than trying to re-do everything at the last second and it usually works a lot better.

08-17-07, 12:36 AM	#1
558800 Watch Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	The question about the course of target I don't know how to educe the course of target. So please tell me how I can estimate the course of target(I'll estimate AOB by it). Thank you!

08-17-07, 11:10 AM	#7
cali03boss Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 123 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	1)Go under water. 2) mark your position 3) locate target via hydrophone 4) ping target 5) record distance 6) convert distance to nautical miles 7) record bearing 8) draw a line from your point out to the edge of your bearing chart 9) zoom out on the map and draw a new line from your point parallel (or over) your first bearing line all the way out to the desired nautical mile distance. That is your relative mark on target. Do the same procedure every 5 minutes two or three times and you get a general course. __________________ Sargo Class USS Sargo

08-17-07, 02:10 AM	#2
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	You get it when you ask for a speed estimate from your plotting team.

08-17-07, 02:43 AM	#3
558800 Watch Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Where is my plotting team?

08-17-07, 04:43 AM	#4
C DuDe Ensign Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 229 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Your plotting team are: Miss Compass, Mr. ruler, Lord. gum (very important), Madame triangle.. on you map. Who do you think is going to plot the vessels course. But seriously, when you get a map contact and click on the square you'll see the heading of the unknown.. going (for example NE) and speed (for example fast). Now, open your Compass and take the ruler out and plot an estimate course NE (which is 45*) over the contact. (mind you this is a very rough estimate and needs to be adjusted over time). If you mean getting a bearing when at closer range, you can do that with the sonar (go round with the pointer until you here the vessel) look at the top left side of the screen at sonar station and you'll see its heading. Or at attack range get a distance estimate (twice with an interval of 30sec. at least), get a speed estimate and then add the AOB which is given to you by the good crew you have. Set AOB and the plot is done!

08-17-07, 07:32 AM	#11
558800 Watch Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Oh ,thank you! And can I estimate the course or AOB by the periscope's reading?

08-17-07, 02:36 PM	#12
558800 Watch Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	no. you ONLY have to take range. Take range, send to tdc. Wait a few minutes. Take another range, send to tdc. Click on the speed estimate tool and click the button to estimate speed. It will tell you the course and speed. You do NOT need to get AOB or ANYTHING other that range (which also gets bearing) in order to have the course and speed estimate. This is how it works with patch 1.3. There's a sticky on it right at the top of the first page of this forum. I see .thank you! If only taken the course,so aob is easy to take.

08-17-07, 05:50 PM	#14
Seadogs Ensign Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 228 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Additional question(s), My standimeter marks are always crap and so my speed estimates are crap. I lock target and line up the overlays waterline with the highest point of the visable target. Any additional pointers? And how can I reset the data for a new course and speed estimate so that my old, previous crappy mark does not interfere with my new estimate?