Is it finally time to buy DW?

MarkShot · 08-13-07, 05:47 PM

I've had SC since 2001.

I see that I can now get the SFI version of DW for $10 USD. This would seem to be a good price even if they do overlap in the area of sub ops.

I do have some questions:

(1) Will all the mods I see over at Sub Guru work for the SFI version and not just the Battlefront version?

(2) With DW v1.04 what's the main difference in the engine for sub play between SCX and DW?

(2a) Do counter measures still cause weapons to detonate?

(2b) Has the physics of diving/surfacing been improved?

(2c) Is autocrew-TMA still providing perfect solutions?

(2d) Is thermocline modeling different or more pronounced from SC?

(2e) Was some warning of subroc launches besides a transient on BB added?

(2f) Were sonar tracker bugs fixed?

(2g) Are there more than a few scenarios for playing the Kilo?

(3) Are there more than a few scenarios for playing the non-sub platforms?

(4) Was an improved replay facility provided for the game?

If I am mainly going to command a sub and already have SC is DW still worth getting? Have I overlooked anything in regards to differences between SC and DW sub play that I should have asked?

Thanks.

Dr.Sid · 08-14-07, 03:19 AM

1) can't tell .. AFAIK no problem
2a) CM solved in 1.04 and LWAMI
2b) diving improved against 1.03 witch was flawed .. can't compare to SC
2c) solution is practically perfect after 5 lines, not perfect before that.
2d) can't compare thermocline to SC, but with 1.04 it seems to be quite realistic.
2e) subroc launches gives you warning when fired from sub, introduced by LWAMI
2f) most sonar bugs was fixed.
2g,3) There are few scenarios to play anything, but you have the mission editor, some user missions, quick mission editor, and mutliplayer.
4) replay sux. No 3D, slow seeking, sometimes events are played in wrong order, typically after seeking. Can't tell if it is better than SC.

DW is worth getting. Also, there soon will be no chance to get it at all I'm afraid.

MarkShot · 08-14-07, 07:00 AM

What's going on? Is DW being discontinued? Thanks.

OneShot · 08-14-07, 10:31 AM

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DW is worth getting. Also, there soon will be no chance to get it at all I'm afraid.

I've got no idea where you deduced that from ... DW is sold by SF, BB and over Steam and I seriously doubt that it will be unavailable anytime soon.

@MS : Even if you prefer to play Subs at the moment, buy DW if you look around you can get it reasonably cheap and with Patch 1.04 and the LwAmi mod it is far better then SC (even with SCX). So that should be a no-brainer. And if you ever get bored of subs ... DW offers other vastly different platforms with a different playing style to continue enjoying Naval Warfare.

Dr.Sid · 08-14-07, 10:37 AM

Well I said it because currently I don't know any place where to buy it (except steam). Can you post some links ?
I know just several shops which were selling it but are not anymore.

MarkShot · 08-14-07, 01:03 PM

What do folks do about the near perfect TMA when playing?

In SCX, especially in a high contact environment, I usually auto-crew the TMA except for the a target which I am engaging. For targets, I will often switch to manual TMA and wire guide once I have launched a spread.

So, with DW TMA is going to start out perfect already. Of course, one could do all TMA manually, but then the that becomes a pretty heavy work load.

So, what do players do about the high degree of auto crew TMA accuracy?

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Personally, I always thought that for both the sonar and TMA stations the player should be able to give certain contacts to the AI to follow. This would allow the AI to maintain a general profile while the player focuses on an actual target and its prosecution.

OneShot · 08-14-07, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

Well I said it because currently I don't know any place where to buy it (except steam). Can you post some links ?
I know just several shops which were selling it but are not anymore.

There is a big fat link at the top right of the forum ... buy it directly from Strategy First either as download or get the boxed version. The only thing you wont get anymore (except maybe on ebay) is the printed manual.

08-13-07, 05:47 PM	#1
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	Is it finally time to buy DW? I've had SC since 2001. I see that I can now get the SFI version of DW for $10 USD. This would seem to be a good price even if they do overlap in the area of sub ops. I do have some questions: (1) Will all the mods I see over at Sub Guru work for the SFI version and not just the Battlefront version? (2) With DW v1.04 what's the main difference in the engine for sub play between SCX and DW? (2a) Do counter measures still cause weapons to detonate? (2b) Has the physics of diving/surfacing been improved? (2c) Is autocrew-TMA still providing perfect solutions? (2d) Is thermocline modeling different or more pronounced from SC? (2e) Was some warning of subroc launches besides a transient on BB added? (2f) Were sonar tracker bugs fixed? (2g) Are there more than a few scenarios for playing the Kilo? (3) Are there more than a few scenarios for playing the non-sub platforms? (4) Was an improved replay facility provided for the game? If I am mainly going to command a sub and already have SC is DW still worth getting? Have I overlooked anything in regards to differences between SC and DW sub play that I should have asked? Thanks. __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

08-14-07, 07:00 AM	#3
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	What's going on? Is DW being discontinued? Thanks. __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

08-14-07, 01:03 PM	#6
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	What do folks do about the near perfect TMA when playing? In SCX, especially in a high contact environment, I usually auto-crew the TMA except for the a target which I am engaging. For targets, I will often switch to manual TMA and wire guide once I have launched a spread. So, with DW TMA is going to start out perfect already. Of course, one could do all TMA manually, but then the that becomes a pretty heavy work load. So, what do players do about the high degree of auto crew TMA accuracy? --- Personally, I always thought that for both the sonar and TMA stations the player should be able to give certain contacts to the AI to follow. This would allow the AI to maintain a general profile while the player focuses on an actual target and its prosecution. __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

08-14-07, 03:19 AM	#2
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	1) can't tell .. AFAIK no problem 2a) CM solved in 1.04 and LWAMI 2b) diving improved against 1.03 witch was flawed .. can't compare to SC 2c) solution is practically perfect after 5 lines, not perfect before that. 2d) can't compare thermocline to SC, but with 1.04 it seems to be quite realistic. 2e) subroc launches gives you warning when fired from sub, introduced by LWAMI 2f) most sonar bugs was fixed. 2g,3) There are few scenarios to play anything, but you have the mission editor, some user missions, quick mission editor, and mutliplayer. 4) replay sux. No 3D, slow seeking, sometimes events are played in wrong order, typically after seeking. Can't tell if it is better than SC. DW is worth getting. Also, there soon will be no chance to get it at all I'm afraid.

08-14-07, 10:37 AM	#5
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Well I said it because currently I don't know any place where to buy it (except steam). Can you post some links ? I know just several shops which were selling it but are not anymore.