Why are the SUPER MODDERS giving up so quickly?

Quagmire · 08-08-07, 12:09 PM

I know I may be asking a lot here but I wish the super modders (Ducimus, Beery, etc.) wouldn't give up so quickly. I guess I shouldn't blame them since they actually want to play the game too, but it is kind of sad.

SHIII saw so much more love when it came to modding; a fact that doesn't make much sense to me. In fact, if you read the SHIII forums, a lot of people turn their nose up at us Pacific warriors.

Sure SHIII is wonderful. I played the heck out of it. But the superb graphics of SHIV makes SHIII just look to primitive to go back to.

So what is it that makes the "love" for SHIV fade away? Is it the lack of convoy battles? Is it the weak nature of the Japanese ASW that makes people lose interest? I don't know.

I am sure we will never see a GWX for SHIV but I hope that the "love" for SHIV will increase in the future.
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Hitman · 08-08-07, 12:41 PM

I don't think the "Supermodders" are giving up so quickly....

Fact is they come from the SH3 scene and have learned a lot while struggling with it, so they are now much more selective and refined in their work. They are not constantly rushing to add all new mods and well-looking items, but instead have gained much wisdom and let new mods and improvements settle down and proof their value before adding them to their work.

As for GWX, they are still busy with the final 1.04 release of their work. Thinking about SH4 for them right now is out of the question, as it should be, but who knows what can happend when they end their SH3 adventure and have had some rest, maybe all or some of them move on to SH4. Have a bit of patience, man

SH4 is here for the long run, and you can be sure it will be turned in agame as beautiful as the modded SH3 is now....just note that for SH3 it has been a 2 years road, so Sh4 will have also its time

cdrsubron7 · 08-08-07, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

I don't think the "Supermodders" are giving up so quickly....

Fact is they come from the SH3 scene and have learned a lot while struggling with it, so they are now much more selective and refined in their work. They are not constantly rushing to add all new mods and well-looking items, but instead have gained much wisdom and let new mods and improvements settle down and proof their value before adding them to their work.

As for GWX, they are still busy with the final 1.04 release of their work. Thinking about SH4 for them right now is out of the question, as it should be, but who knows what can happend when they end their SH3 adventure and have had some rest, maybe all or some of them move on to SH4. Have a bit of patience, man

SH4 is here for the long run, and you can be sure it will be turned in agame as beautiful as the modded SH3 is now....just note that for SH3 it has been a 2 years road, so Sh4 will have also its time

Very well put, Hitman. I agree with you.

tambor198

Ducimus · 08-08-07, 09:26 PM

I know i come and go alot, but i really am done this time. The real reason is ive been thinking really long and hard about a career change for awhile now. I'll have to act on that soon (IE, "**** or get off the pot").

In sum, ive been where i am for 7 years, making 13 bucks an hour. Im going nowhere, staring at the same cube walls every day, and something has to change. As insane as it sounds, i ve been thinking about going into trucking. At least then ill be going somewhere (literally) and making a bit more money then i do now. Its not just a job, but a lifestyle change, and i very much doubt ill have time for computer games. Well except maybe when waiting to get unloaded which i hear can take up to 40 hours in some places

, but ya, you bet ill be getting a laptop with SH4 and TM 1.5 on it.

AkbarGulag · 08-09-07, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well except maybe when waiting to get unloaded which i hear can take up to 40 hours in some places

, but ya, you bet ill be getting a laptop with SH4 and TM 1.5 on it.

If you are late on a truck delivery, you can wait days to have your load unloaded... that time will be spent in a rented space like a hotel or whatever they call them in the U.S. (long haul, not sure about inter-state)

I suggest you get ready to fix your modding itch while sitting around waiting

There have been some new faces in the mods section for SH4, some seem at ease making mods, others are awkward and new... Lets learn the lessons from Scones and others and try and be a bit more positive with the new crew. People adding remarks in mods discussion like 'I dont like it' with no reason given needs to be avoided. Maybe a moderator could sometimes slip in their and delete crap like that, it may go a long way to maintaining a positive atmosphere. Users takeing some sort of responsible attitude to posting would be even better.

In response to the amount of 'SUPER' mods available, its early days, the 1.3 patch is fairly new. As a user I have spent the last 6 or 7 days trawling and downloading mods, swapping mods and finding compatible and incompatible mods has been keeping me more than busy. During this time it has become obvious some Modders are putting their heads together in response to peoples constructive comments.

To sum up, I think it is a bit early to think nothing will happen.. Like it was said earlier, this game is still shiny and new.

Tobus · 08-09-07, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I know i come and go alot, but i really am done this time. The real reason is ive been thinking really long and hard about a career change for awhile now. I'll have to act on that soon (IE, "**** or get off the pot").

In sum, ive been where i am for 7 years, making 13 bucks an hour. Im going nowhere, staring at the same cube walls every day, and something has to change. As insane as it sounds, i ve been thinking about going into trucking. At least then ill be going somewhere (literally) and making a bit more money then i do now. Its not just a job, but a lifestyle change, and i very much doubt ill have time for computer games. Well except maybe when waiting to get unloaded which i hear can take up to 40 hours in some places

, but ya, you bet ill be getting a laptop with SH4 and TM 1.5 on it.

Good luck with that Ducimus. Why not join the Navy submarine force? You seem to know quite a lot due to this heavy modding

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Sea Demon · 08-09-07, 02:32 AM

I don't know. I think things will pick up eventually. I was worried like this when Dangerous Waters came out. The early days we didn't see alot of modding going on like the love that was given to Sub Command with the SCXIIc project. But eventually Luftwolf and Amizaur took up the challenge and gave us the amazing LWAMI mod which seems to be a constant evolution. So far SH4 has some good modding out there. No GWX style mods yet, but Trigger Maru adds a whole lot of stuff into this game. I don't know, but it doesn't look like the modders have given up on anything. Work like this takes time. In the meantime, grab a cold one, and sink them skimmers.

ghost_666_rider · 08-09-07, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

As insane as it sounds, i ve been thinking about going into trucking. At least then ill be going somewhere (literally) and making a bit more money then i do now. Its not just a job, but a lifestyle change, and i very much doubt ill have time for computer games. Well except maybe when waiting to get unloaded which i hear can take up to 40 hours in some places

, but ya, you bet ill be getting a laptop with SH4 and TM 1.5 on it.

After 18 yrs in the business, as a broker and now a company driver... you'll want a laptop with you at all times. Delays are now the norm everywhere you go. If you are not on a dedicated run where you can make the connections to jump the line, you will be well and truly f&*%$d. As for making money, this is the lowest pay I've ever had, but I no longer own the truck... but average roughly $24/hr (can$). I'm home every day, so it's a tradeoff for more money or more time at home.

Wulfmann · 08-09-07, 09:20 AM

This depends on what people want to keep their interest in the game.
The reality is assbackwards game wise. SH3 was the perfect scenario because things got harder so followed a more natural game involvement.
SH4 gets easier if history is followed.
Looking back at SH3 I can honestly say the most important mods were the tools.
After that my own rewrite of the RND file made the game so hard the challenge we on the edge. That in no way diminishes the great mods I enjoyed but it was game play not visuals that kept me engrossed like no other game/sim I ever played
Yes, SH4 has better graphics although many things will be improved by modders like effects damage etc the big keep me interested question is how to improve game play realistically/historically and keep me interested.
In SH3 I doubled and tripled the escorts (late war) and made them all 3 (all war) minimum but that simply was following history (my version as I researched it) while SH4 can not match that.
I feel the way the real war played made the U-boat a more natural long term game.
I love SH4 so far and believe it started at a better place (higher level) than SH3. I just don't think the basis for the sub war in the Pacific will hold the same level of game play.
I know it sounds silly but if I was UBI I would have a add-on SH4 U-Boat war coming out on Dec 07 for Christmas. One year is a nice break in the Pacific from the "real" battle---------IMO in the North Atlantic.

Wulfmann

ReallyDedPoet · 08-08-07, 12:41 PM

Quagmire, the game is still only months old and there has been great work done on it. Modders, including the 2 you directly mention, have done great things with the game. It will only get better, whether it( future mods ) comes from the exisiting crew here or from somebody that doesn't even own a copy of the game yet.

Folks that mod do it for free in every sense of the word, let's be patient and see what develops over the coming months.

If any of them want to take a break, that is their option, they have earned it

RDP

FAdmiral · 08-08-07, 12:45 PM

SH3 modding was a new concept and the modders spent much time to make it
what it is today. Now SH4 comes along and needs the same time spent to make
it the best. Modders now have to do the SAME thing all over again. Once is fun
but a do-over is getting dull....

JIM

SteamWake · 08-08-07, 01:13 PM

Well I know of at least one modder that got sick and tired of the constant brow beating from the community at large.

Another case of biting the hand that feeds you.

I do know that Duminicus, Tater, and others (sorry Im not real active in the dev community) are still working on things and discovering things on a daily basis.

donut · 08-08-07, 02:38 PM

It is more complex,takes time to learn,& is full of leftover files from SHIII that clutter,& confuse.Because they are connected,or unconnected to nodes that were intended features that were rushed, & or,left out. Sorta like; looking for your keys in the trash.

It does seem as though the talent,doesn't want to mess with SHIV,& that is distressing to the potential we all see so clearly. Say a prayer we continue to be blessed with challenge loving talent,to improve game-play.To make it more rewarding.
GWX,is Atlantic defeat of political injustice.OH the cost! The Pacific is winning freedom from terrorist attacks for liberty.We just want the code to work logically.Now where did the code originate:hmm:

Quagmire · 08-08-07, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAdmiral

SH3 modding was a new concept and the modders spent much time to make it
what it is today. Now SH4 comes along and needs the same time spent to make
it the best. Modders now have to do the SAME thing all over again. Once is fun
but a do-over is getting dull....

Yeah that is what I am worried about. BURNOUT. It is I am sure a lot of work to create a GWX and as luck would have it, SHIV comes along just as the GWX team has finished their SHIII masterpiece. They really would have to start all over again to make a GWX for SHIV. A constant stream of modding from their perspective.

Hats off to our supermodders. I tried to mod the game myself and all I came up with was a mess of CTDs. I just don't have the gift. I am just trying to encourage those who do to keep the faith because it is greatly appreciated. I wish their was a better way to thank these folks other than congratulatory threads.

"Don't give up the ship!", as the USN would say, supermodders. WE NEED YOU!

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joea · 08-08-07, 02:40 PM

How do you know we won't get NEW supermodders? Tater was not around for SH3 (I "knew" him from the Il-2 forums) and is doing great things for the campaign layers, Captain Cox is new, the gusy (sorry forgot his name) who did "living breathing ocean" is new and I am sure I missed many others. Don't dispair.

08-08-07, 12:09 PM	#1
Quagmire Watch Officer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 335 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Why are the SUPER MODDERS giving up so quickly? I know I may be asking a lot here but I wish the super modders (Ducimus, Beery, etc.) wouldn't give up so quickly. I guess I shouldn't blame them since they actually want to play the game too, but it is kind of sad. SHIII saw so much more love when it came to modding; a fact that doesn't make much sense to me. In fact, if you read the SHIII forums, a lot of people turn their nose up at us Pacific warriors. Sure SHIII is wonderful. I played the heck out of it. But the superb graphics of SHIV makes SHIII just look to primitive to go back to. So what is it that makes the "love" for SHIV fade away? Is it the lack of convoy battles? Is it the weak nature of the Japanese ASW that makes people lose interest? I don't know. I am sure we will never see a GWX for SHIV but I hope that the "love" for SHIV will increase in the future. . __________________ The day publishers figured out that they could sell flashy first person shooters to teenagers in numbers greater than sand on a beach was the day that quality simulations died. --Col. Tibbets UBI SHIV Forums I guess they should have made SH4 an open boat where we run around inside and shoot each other a 1000 times. They seem to handle those games with numerous patches. --Longam UBI SHIV Forums A sad day has dawned...

08-08-07, 12:41 PM	#2
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	I don't think the "Supermodders" are giving up so quickly.... Fact is they come from the SH3 scene and have learned a lot while struggling with it, so they are now much more selective and refined in their work. They are not constantly rushing to add all new mods and well-looking items, but instead have gained much wisdom and let new mods and improvements settle down and proof their value before adding them to their work. As for GWX, they are still busy with the final 1.04 release of their work. Thinking about SH4 for them right now is out of the question, as it should be, but who knows what can happend when they end their SH3 adventure and have had some rest, maybe all or some of them move on to SH4. Have a bit of patience, man SH4 is here for the long run, and you can be sure it will be turned in agame as beautiful as the modded SH3 is now....just note that for SH3 it has been a 2 years road, so Sh4 will have also its time __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

08-09-07, 09:20 AM	#9
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This depends on what people want to keep their interest in the game. The reality is assbackwards game wise. SH3 was the perfect scenario because things got harder so followed a more natural game involvement. SH4 gets easier if history is followed. Looking back at SH3 I can honestly say the most important mods were the tools. After that my own rewrite of the RND file made the game so hard the challenge we on the edge. That in no way diminishes the great mods I enjoyed but it was game play not visuals that kept me engrossed like no other game/sim I ever played Yes, SH4 has better graphics although many things will be improved by modders like effects damage etc the big keep me interested question is how to improve game play realistically/historically and keep me interested. In SH3 I doubled and tripled the escorts (late war) and made them all 3 (all war) minimum but that simply was following history (my version as I researched it) while SH4 can not match that. I feel the way the real war played made the U-boat a more natural long term game. I love SH4 so far and believe it started at a better place (higher level) than SH3. I just don't think the basis for the sub war in the Pacific will hold the same level of game play. I know it sounds silly but if I was UBI I would have a add-on SH4 U-Boat war coming out on Dec 07 for Christmas. One year is a nice break in the Pacific from the "real" battle---------IMO in the North Atlantic. Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

08-08-07, 12:41 PM	#10
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,888 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Quagmire, the game is still only months old and there has been great work done on it. Modders, including the 2 you directly mention, have done great things with the game. It will only get better, whether it( future mods ) comes from the exisiting crew here or from somebody that doesn't even own a copy of the game yet. Folks that mod do it for free in every sense of the word, let's be patient and see what develops over the coming months. If any of them want to take a break, that is their option, they have earned it RDP __________________ Back in the Day

08-08-07, 12:45 PM	#11
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	SH3 modding was a new concept and the modders spent much time to make it what it is today. Now SH4 comes along and needs the same time spent to make it the best. Modders now have to do the SAME thing all over again. Once is fun but a do-over is getting dull.... JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org

08-08-07, 09:26 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I know i come and go alot, but i really am done this time. The real reason is ive been thinking really long and hard about a career change for awhile now. I'll have to act on that soon (IE, "**** or get off the pot"). In sum, ive been where i am for 7 years, making 13 bucks an hour. Im going nowhere, staring at the same cube walls every day, and something has to change. As insane as it sounds, i ve been thinking about going into trucking. At least then ill be going somewhere (literally) and making a bit more money then i do now. Its not just a job, but a lifestyle change, and i very much doubt ill have time for computer games. Well except maybe when waiting to get unloaded which i hear can take up to 40 hours in some places , but ya, you bet ill be getting a laptop with SH4 and TM 1.5 on it.

08-09-07, 02:32 AM	#7
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	I don't know. I think things will pick up eventually. I was worried like this when Dangerous Waters came out. The early days we didn't see alot of modding going on like the love that was given to Sub Command with the SCXIIc project. But eventually Luftwolf and Amizaur took up the challenge and gave us the amazing LWAMI mod which seems to be a constant evolution. So far SH4 has some good modding out there. No GWX style mods yet, but Trigger Maru adds a whole lot of stuff into this game. I don't know, but it doesn't look like the modders have given up on anything. Work like this takes time. In the meantime, grab a cold one, and sink them skimmers.

08-08-07, 01:13 PM	#12
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Well I know of at least one modder that got sick and tired of the constant brow beating from the community at large. Another case of biting the hand that feeds you. I do know that Duminicus, Tater, and others (sorry Im not real active in the dev community) are still working on things and discovering things on a daily basis.

08-08-07, 02:38 PM	#13
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The file system in SHIV. It is more complex,takes time to learn,& is full of leftover files from SHIII that clutter,& confuse.Because they are connected,or unconnected to nodes that were intended features that were rushed, & or,left out. Sorta like; looking for your keys in the trash. It does seem as though the talent,doesn't want to mess with SHIV,& that is distressing to the potential we all see so clearly. Say a prayer we continue to be blessed with challenge loving talent,to improve game-play.To make it more rewarding. GWX,is Atlantic defeat of political injustice.OH the cost! The Pacific is winning freedom from terrorist attacks for liberty.We just want the code to work logically.Now where did the code originate:hmm: Last edited by donut; 08-08-07 at 03:17 PM.

08-08-07, 02:40 PM	#15
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	How do you know we won't get NEW supermodders? Tater was not around for SH3 (I "knew" him from the Il-2 forums) and is doing great things for the campaign layers, Captain Cox is new, the gusy (sorry forgot his name) who did "living breathing ocean" is new and I am sure I missed many others. Don't dispair.