HIV medics released to Bulgaria

Skybird · 07-24-07, 05:21 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6912965.stm

A rotten rogue has decided to stop continuing with a dirty trick, and released victims of kidnappings that were held hostages and were used to blackmail the West, and for this decision to stop gpoing on with a state crime he was ennobled by Ms Ferrero-Waldner saying that it marked "a new page in the history of relations between the EU and Libya". That is sick.

Is somebody a noble man just because he decides to stop continuing a crime?

Wouldn't it be smarter to stop sending potential victims into such countries? we have no technical or moral obligations towards such countries. Let the people living there clean up things and issues b etween them and their corrupt criminal governments. Their citizens can travel, they can see how it is oin other places of the world, they can learn from that, and bring the knowledge back to their homes and press for adjustements and corrections. We do not need to go there.

There are two ways of teaching. The one, and worse, way is to lecture people in advance. The other, and better, way is to wait for the student's questions, and answer them. If the student cannot come up with such quesitons, he will never learn how to ask questions, and what are good and what are useless questions. That way, most answers will be in vain anyway, and he will stay to be dependant on others, and never will become an independant thinker himself. Translating this into a slightly difefrent context, this is one of the reasons why so much o aid efforts and develoepment projects in the third world often is in vain. Developement aid workers can sing a song of this.

Sarko is travelling to Lybia to thank the great and most skillful leader him for stopping to behave like an inhumane a$$h0le.

Every european tax-Euro payed into that fund that pays compensation to the Lybian families is one euro too much, even if Tripolis seem to shoulder the lion's share of it.

Six innocent people that were willing to help - have payed for that with loosing nine years of their lives , during that time living in fear of death. will there also be a fund to pay compensation to them?

What have we learned? Blackmailing Europe pays off. Please send more hostages for later use.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...495974,00.html

bradclark1 · 07-24-07, 09:41 AM

If you haven't noticed the in thing in the west is to good-guy, guilt-trip ourselves to death and it's only accelerating.

Heibges · 07-24-07, 09:55 AM

Although the actions of these countless strongmen in Africa is disgusting, I have to think that when the European powers divided up Africa into colonies with a straightedge at the Congress of Berlin in 1870, they kind of took at least a little bit of responsibility for it.

Edit: To me this is the same reason the United States cannot just pull out of Iraq.

Skybird · 07-24-07, 10:07 AM

We in the West have come to understand that the colonial age was not doing our ancestor much compliments. While some dicatators in those former colonies today have picked up the behavior of the colonial powers back then, and obviously have learned nothing but to intentionally mimic faults and crimes our ancestors oince have done.

We better stop to limit their guilt of their acts today by endlessly putting the living present into relation to the already dead past. Those nurses taken hostages were not taken hostage because the europeans once were a bunch of colonial imperialists, but to be sacrificed for hiding the Lybian government's incometence and it's deeply corrupt nature, and to gain a win from blackmailing Europe.

Heibges · 07-24-07, 10:15 AM

I agree. But, like those South Koreans in Afghanistan, it also shows how brave humans are. It is really amazing that there are always people who volunteer to put themselves in danger, to help those less fortunate than themselves, regardless of the circumstances.

These folks aren't commandos. They are nurses, doctors....regular civilians.

All I meant was, that if creating liberal democracies was the goal in Africa, the colonial governors should have put liberal democrats into the positions of power.

bradclark1 · 07-24-07, 10:25 AM

If they kill those Koreans every country should send a force to that region, surround it then close in and kill. If they can't prove they are from some village there then kill them. That, they'll understand.

tycho102 · 07-27-07, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

What have we learned? Blackmailing Europe pays off. Please send more hostages for later use.

Not just Europe, buddy. It works for the RIAA and MPAA. It works for corporate lobbists and unions, trial lawyers prosecuting class-action lawsuits, Diebold and their computerized voting systems, and Scientologists.

I have little doubt they were reusing needles. They may have been doing blood transfusions with only cross-typing because they didn't have the lab equipment necessary for the titer.

Skybird · 07-27-07, 04:10 PM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...496914,00.html

07-24-07, 05:21 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	HIV medics released to Bulgaria http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6912965.stm A rotten rogue has decided to stop continuing with a dirty trick, and released victims of kidnappings that were held hostages and were used to blackmail the West, and for this decision to stop gpoing on with a state crime he was ennobled by Ms Ferrero-Waldner saying that it marked "a new page in the history of relations between the EU and Libya". That is sick. Is somebody a noble man just because he decides to stop continuing a crime? Wouldn't it be smarter to stop sending potential victims into such countries? we have no technical or moral obligations towards such countries. Let the people living there clean up things and issues b etween them and their corrupt criminal governments. Their citizens can travel, they can see how it is oin other places of the world, they can learn from that, and bring the knowledge back to their homes and press for adjustements and corrections. We do not need to go there. There are two ways of teaching. The one, and worse, way is to lecture people in advance. The other, and better, way is to wait for the student's questions, and answer them. If the student cannot come up with such quesitons, he will never learn how to ask questions, and what are good and what are useless questions. That way, most answers will be in vain anyway, and he will stay to be dependant on others, and never will become an independant thinker himself. Translating this into a slightly difefrent context, this is one of the reasons why so much o aid efforts and develoepment projects in the third world often is in vain. Developement aid workers can sing a song of this. Sarko is travelling to Lybia to thank the great and most skillful leader him for stopping to behave like an inhumane a$$h0le. Every european tax-Euro payed into that fund that pays compensation to the Lybian families is one euro too much, even if Tripolis seem to shoulder the lion's share of it. Six innocent people that were willing to help - have payed for that with loosing nine years of their lives , during that time living in fear of death. will there also be a fund to pay compensation to them? What have we learned? Blackmailing Europe pays off. Please send more hostages for later use. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...495974,00.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-24-07, 09:55 AM	#3
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Although the actions of these countless strongmen in Africa is disgusting, I have to think that when the European powers divided up Africa into colonies with a straightedge at the Congress of Berlin in 1870, they kind of took at least a little bit of responsibility for it. Edit: To me this is the same reason the United States cannot just pull out of Iraq. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

07-24-07, 10:07 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	We in the West have come to understand that the colonial age was not doing our ancestor much compliments. While some dicatators in those former colonies today have picked up the behavior of the colonial powers back then, and obviously have learned nothing but to intentionally mimic faults and crimes our ancestors oince have done. We better stop to limit their guilt of their acts today by endlessly putting the living present into relation to the already dead past. Those nurses taken hostages were not taken hostage because the europeans once were a bunch of colonial imperialists, but to be sacrificed for hiding the Lybian government's incometence and it's deeply corrupt nature, and to gain a win from blackmailing Europe. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-24-07, 10:15 AM	#5
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I agree. But, like those South Koreans in Afghanistan, it also shows how brave humans are. It is really amazing that there are always people who volunteer to put themselves in danger, to help those less fortunate than themselves, regardless of the circumstances. These folks aren't commandos. They are nurses, doctors....regular civilians. All I meant was, that if creating liberal democracies was the goal in Africa, the colonial governors should have put liberal democrats into the positions of power. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

07-27-07, 04:10 PM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	http://www.spiegel.de/international/...496914,00.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-24-07, 09:41 AM	#2
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	If you haven't noticed the in thing in the west is to good-guy, guilt-trip ourselves to death and it's only accelerating.

07-24-07, 10:25 AM	#6
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	If they kill those Koreans every country should send a force to that region, surround it then close in and kill. If they can't prove they are from some village there then kill them. That, they'll understand.