K-19: The Widowmaker

Puster Bill · 06-29-07, 01:54 PM

OK, am I the only one who thinks it is a bad idea to do an emergency surface at 20 knots through the ice?

They didn't even rig in the fore diveplanes. That sounds like a good way to get them wiped off the hull in a hurry to me.

Not to mention the damage you would do to the sail.

06-29-07, 02:45 PM

Even it is less than 1m of ice, It may be a work of fiction, but who knows....
For me, personally, The red october that evades a torp from the aircraft and it slams into the rocks... A lot of fiction in movies...
BOT: I agree 100% with that you said.... There should be at least sail damage, maybe that's the reason why their radio antenna failed, or maybe it was an act of sabotage and the intention was to blow the whole sub close to the US...

A litle conspiracy here...

Puster Bill · 06-30-07, 11:17 AM

Yeah, well, the only conspiracy involved started in 1917...

As I recall, the Hotel class was basically a November boat with the missile compartment of a Golf class. They used to call the Novembers 'cancer wards'.

Don't get me started on the K-129, either. I read 'Red Star Rogue', and found a number of serious factual errors. What wasn't error was just "This is what could have happened".

Heibges · 06-30-07, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Puster Bill

Yeah, well, the only conspiracy involved started in 1917...

As I recall, the Hotel class was basically a November boat with the missile compartment of a Golf class. They used to call the Novembers 'cancer wards'.

Don't get me started on the K-129, either. I read 'Red Star Rogue', and found a number of serious factual errors. What wasn't error was just "This is what could have happened".

LOL.:rotfl:

That Russian black sense of humor. It must have been a reference to the Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn novel "Cancer Ward".

Kapitan · 07-03-07, 03:49 PM

Alot of russians including the surviving crew are out raged at the way the americans have portrayed them, the K-19 foundation has already sucsessfully sued the film makers as they believe the americans show them as "incompetant drunkerds" in reality no idiot would surface at 20 knots under ice it would have smashed the submarine to bloody bit.

I like the film in the fact its ok to watch but if you know the back ground and know people who know the survivors its alot diffrent.

Another thing is where the heck did that american destroyer come from? the K-19 was in an ice field for goodness sake not many ships only ice breakers go up to where K-19 was hence why there were no diesel submarines in the immediate area.

Kapitan · 07-03-07, 03:52 PM

The hotel class were extended versions of earlier golf class with two nuclear reactors put inside thats the only real diffrence, the november design is way diffrent the only design to ever try and some what follow the tear drop hull was the later yankee and delta classes.

Even the typhoon is wedge shaped.

Prof · 08-28-07, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Another thing is where the heck did that american destroyer come from? the K-19 was in an ice field for goodness sake not many ships only ice breakers go up to where K-19 was hence why there were no diesel submarines in the immediate area.

It's been a while since I read Huchthausen's book, but didn't K-19 eventually make contact with a nearby Soviet Diesel boat on the short-range radio?

06-29-07, 01:54 PM	#1
Puster Bill Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: BA8758, or FN33eh for my fellow hams. Posts: 833 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	K-19: The Widowmaker OK, am I the only one who thinks it is a bad idea to do an emergency surface at 20 knots through the ice? They didn't even rig in the fore diveplanes. That sounds like a good way to get them wiped off the hull in a hurry to me. Not to mention the damage you would do to the sail. __________________ The U-Boat Commander of Love

06-30-07, 11:17 AM	#3
Puster Bill Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: BA8758, or FN33eh for my fellow hams. Posts: 833 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah, well, the only conspiracy involved started in 1917... As I recall, the Hotel class was basically a November boat with the missile compartment of a Golf class. They used to call the Novembers 'cancer wards'. Don't get me started on the K-129, either. I read 'Red Star Rogue', and found a number of serious factual errors. What wasn't error was just "This is what could have happened". __________________ The U-Boat Commander of Love

07-03-07, 03:49 PM	#5
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Alot of russians including the surviving crew are out raged at the way the americans have portrayed them, the K-19 foundation has already sucsessfully sued the film makers as they believe the americans show them as "incompetant drunkerds" in reality no idiot would surface at 20 knots under ice it would have smashed the submarine to bloody bit. I like the film in the fact its ok to watch but if you know the back ground and know people who know the survivors its alot diffrent. Another thing is where the heck did that american destroyer come from? the K-19 was in an ice field for goodness sake not many ships only ice breakers go up to where K-19 was hence why there were no diesel submarines in the immediate area. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-03-07, 03:52 PM	#6
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	The hotel class were extended versions of earlier golf class with two nuclear reactors put inside thats the only real diffrence, the november design is way diffrent the only design to ever try and some what follow the tear drop hull was the later yankee and delta classes. Even the typhoon is wedge shaped. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

06-29-07, 02:45 PM	#2
GakunGak Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Even it is less than 1m of ice, It may be a work of fiction, but who knows.... For me, personally, The red october that evades a torp from the aircraft and it slams into the rocks... A lot of fiction in movies... BOT: I agree 100% with that you said.... There should be at least sail damage, maybe that's the reason why their radio antenna failed, or maybe it was an act of sabotage and the intention was to blow the whole sub close to the US... A litle conspiracy here...