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Suggested IJN ship substitution list
Posted this in another forum, thought it might be useful.
Here's a list of ships that are NOT in SH4, and which extant SH4 classes should be used to substitute for them. The ship NOT in SH4 is on the left, the suggested replacement on the right. Number in parenthesis is the number in the class if I put it there at all. Obviously, open to suggestion for changes. CV(L) (distinction between CV/CVL in IJN is hard) Akagi = Shokaku (cause it's big) Kaga = Shokaku (cause it's big) Unryo = Hiryu (which should be called "Soryu" Class, but isn't, but that's another thread) Amagi= Hiryu Katsuragi= Hiryu Hiyo = Taiho? Junyo = Taiho? CVL/E Shoho = Taiyo Zuiho = Taiyo Ryuho = Taiyo Hosho = Taiyo Shinyo = Taiyo Kaiyo = Taiyo Chiotse (after january 1944 when she was converted to a CVE) = Taiyo Chiyoda (after Dec '43 CVE conversion) = Taiyo (note I exclusively used Taiyo as a CVE(L) for aesthetic reasons vs Akitsu Maru) IJ ARMY "Carriers" Really "plane ferries." (these should all be reset to zero air groups since planes flew off ONCE to land bases) Nigicu Maru = Akitsu Maru Shimane Maru = Akitsu Maru Otakisan Maru = Akitsu Maru Yamashiro Maru = Akitsu Maru Chigusa Maru = Akitsu Maru Kumano Maru = Akitsu Maru BB Nagato = Fuso (?) Mutsu = Fuso (?) CA Myoko Class (4) = Takao Mogami Class in game need to have early war version bashed. Maya maybe if you want pre-Midway. Tone Class (2) = Mogami? (needs a bash, badly) CL Oyodo (Class ship was only ship) = Agano Nagara Class (6) = Kuma Tenryu Class (2) = Naka Yubari (1)= Akizuki DD? (she was only 3500 tons) Katori Class (3) = Large Minelayer? (Katoris were training CLs that made all of 18 knots. A real POS.) DD Kamikaze Class (9) = Minekaze (was improved version) Akatsuki Class (4) = Fubuki (visually similar, not sure but looks like improved Fubuki) Hatsuharu Class (6) = Shiratsuyu (looks like Shiratsuyu was maybe an improved Hatsuharu) Kagero Class (19) = Asashio (Kagero was an improved Asashio, visually almost identical) Yugumo Class (19) = Asashio (Yugumo was an improved Kagero) Shimakaze (1) = Akizuki DE (*not a really an IJN distinction, Matsu was really a small DD) Matsu Class (32) = ? (use Mutsuki, but limit speed to 28 knots max) PC (subchaser (different than the in-game one! 64 built total) Sub CH-13 for all right now. Kaibokan Sorely lacking, they are 2x CH-13 in size, 1/2 Minekaze's size. No idea. needs a bash. Best idea is either a cloned Minesweeper, a bash, or resetting Minesweepers to be "patrol" boats so they will act like escorts. AVA Bash of fleet oiler needed for these. Last edited by tater; 06-21-07 at 11:37 AM. |
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06-23-07, 01:45 PM
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Seaman
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That's pretty close to the list of substitutes that I'm using. Here's a list of ships that I've added to my layers, and the SH4 models I use for them. Quite a few of them are placeholders, like where I use KLCSNagara or MLOkinoshima to stand in for a bunch of different stuff. If someday someone comes out with some models, I can do a global replace for them in the mis files.
Armed Merchant Cruiser Aikoku Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Akagi Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Awata Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Hokoku Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Kinryu Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Kiyosumi Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Kongo Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Noshiro Maru =KLCSNagara BB Fuso =BBFuso BB Haruna =BBKongo BB Hiei =BBKongo BB Huyga (post-rebuild) =BBIseConv BB Hyuga (pre-rebuild) =BBIse BB Ise (post-rebuild) =BBIseConv BB Ise (pre-rebuild) =BBIse BB Kirishima =BBKongo BB Kongo =BBKongo BB Musashi =BBYamato BB Mutsu =BBFuso BB Nagato =BBFuso BB Yamashiro =BBFuso BB Yamato =BBYamato CA Aoba =CAFurutaka CA Ashigara =CATakao CA Atago =CATakao CA Chikuma =CAMogami CA Chokai =CATakao CA Furutaka =CAFurutaka CA Haguro =CATakao CA Kako =CAFurutaka CA Kinugasa =CAFurutaka CA Kumano =CATakao CA Maya =CATakao CA Mikuma =CATakao CA Mogami (post-rebuild) =CAMogami CA Mogami (pre-rebuild) =CATakao CA Myoko =CATakao CA Nachi =CATakao CA Suzuya =CATakao CA Takao =CATakao CA Tone =CAMogami CL Abukuma =CLKuma CL Agano =CLAgano CL Isuzu =CLKuma CL Jintsu =CLNaka CL Kashii =MLOkinoshima CL Kashima =MLOkinoshima CL Katori =MLOkinoshima CL Kinu =CLKuma CL Kiso =CLKuma CL Kitakami =CLKuma CL Kuma =CLKuma CL Nagara =CLKuma CL Naka =CLNaka CL Natori =CLKuma CL Noshiro =CLAgano CL Oi =CLKuma CL Oyodo =CLAgano CL Sakawa =CLAgano CL Sendai =CLNaka CL Tama =CLKuma CL Tatsuta =CLKuma CL Tenryu =CLKuma CL Yahagi =CLAgano CL Yubari =MLOkinoshima CL Yura =CLKuma CV Akagi =CVShokaku CV Amagi =CVHiryu CV Hiryu =CVHiryu CV Hiyo =CVShokaku CV Junyo =CVShokaku CV Kaga =CVShokaku CV Katsuragi =CVHiryu CV Shinano =CVTaiho CV Shokaku =CVShokaku CV Soryu =CVHiryu CV Taiho =CVTaiho CV Unryu =CVHiryu CV Zuikaku =CVShokaku CVE Chuyo =CVETaiyo CVE Kaiyo =CVETaiyo CVE Shinyo =CVETaiyo CVE Taiyo =CVETaiyo CVE Unyo =CVETaiyo CVL Chitose (post-rebuild) =CVETaiyo CVL Chiyoda (post-rebuild) =CVETaiyo CVL Hosho =CVETaiyo CVL Ryuho =CVETaiyo CVL Ryujo =CVETaiyo CVL Shoho =CVETaiyo CVL Zuiho =CVETaiyo DD Akatsuki =DDFubuki DD Akebono =DDFubuki DD Akigumo =DDAsashio DD Akikaze =DDMinekaze DD Akishimo =DDAsashio DD Akizuki =DDAkizuki DD Amagiri =DDFubuki DD Amatsukaze =DDAsashio DD Arare =DDAsashio DD Arashi =DDAsashio DD Arashio =DDAsashio DD Ariake =DDShiratsuyu DD Asagao (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Asagiri =DDFubuki DD Asagumo =DDAsashio DD Asakaze =DDMinekaze DD Asanagi =DDMinekaze DD Asanagi =DDMinekaze DD Asashimo =DDAsashio DD Asashio =DDAsashio DD Ayanami =DDFubuki DD Fubuki =DDFubuki DD Fujinami =DDAsashio DD Fumizuki =DDMutsuki DD Fuyo (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Fuyuzuki =DDAkizuki DD Hagikaze =DDAsashio DD Hakaze =DDMinekaze DD Hamakaze =DDAsashio DD Hamanami =DDAsashio DD Hanazuki =DDAkizuki DD Harukaze =DDMinekaze DD Harusame =DDShiratsuyu DD Haruzuki =DDAkizuki DD Hasu (Momi Class) =DDMinekaze DD Hatakaze =DDMinekaze DD Hatsuharu =DDShiratsuyu DD Hatsukaze =DDAsashio DD Hatsushimo =DDShiratsuyu DD Hatsuyuki =DDFubuki DD Hatsuzuki =DDAkizuki DD Hayanami =DDAsashio DD Hayashimo =DDAsashio DD Hayashio =DDAsashio DD Hayate =DDMinekaze DD Hibiki =DDFubuki DD Hokaze =DDMinekaze DD Ikazuchi =DDFubuki DD Inazuma =DDFubuki DD Isokaze =DDAsashio DD Isonami =DDFubuki DD Kagero =DDAsashio DD Kamikaze =DDMinekaze DD Karukaya (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Kasumi =DDAsashio DD Kawakaze =DDShiratsuyu DD Kazagumo =DDAsashio DD Kikuzuki =DDMutsuki DD Kisaragi =DDMutsuki DD Kishinami =DDAsashio DD Kiyonami =DDAsashio DD Kiyoshimo =DDAsashio DD Kuretake (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Kuri (Momi Class) =DDMinekaze DD Kuroshio =DDAsashio DD Maikaze =DDAsashio DD Makigumo =DDAsashio DD Makinami =DDAsashio DD Matsukaze =DDMinekaze DD Michishio =DDAsashio DD Minazuki =DDMutsuki DD Minegumo =DDAsashio DD Minekaze =DDMinekaze DD Mochizuki =DDMutsuki DD Murakumo =DDFubuki DD Murasame =DDShiratsuyu DD Mutsuki =DDMutsuki DD Naganami =DDAsashio DD Nagatsuki =DDMutsuki DD Namikaze =DDMinekaze DD Natsugumo =DDAsashio DD Natsushio =DDAsashio DD Natsuzuki =DDAkizuki DD Nenohi =DDShiratsuyu DD Niizuki =DDAkizuki DD Nokaze =DDMinekaze DD Nowaki =DDAsashio DD Numakaze =DDMinekaze DD Oboro =DDFubuki DD Oite =DDMinekaze DD Okikaze =DDMinekaze DD Okinami =DDAsashio DD Onami =DDAsashio DD Oshio =DDAsashio DD Oyashio =DDAsashio DD Sagiri =DDFubuki DD Samidare =DDShiratsuyu DD Sanae (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Satsuki =DDMutsuki DD Sawakaze =DDMinekaze DD Sazanami =DDFubuki DD Shigure =DDShiratsuyu DD Shikinami =DDFubuki DD Shimakaze =DDFubuki DD Shimotsuki =DDAkizuki DD Shinonome =DDFubuki DD Shiokaze =DDMinekaze DD Shirakumo =DDFubuki DD Shiranuhi =DDAsashio DD Shiratsuyu =DDShiratsuyu DD Shirayuki =DDFubuki DD Suzukaze =DDShiratsuyu DD Suzunami =DDAsashio DD Suzutsuki =DDAkizuki DD Tachikaze =DDMinekaze DD Tamanami =DDAsashio DD Tanikaze =DDAsashio DD Teruzuki =DDAkizuki DD Tokitsukaze =DDAsashio DD Tsuga (Momi Class) =DDMinekaze DD Umikaze =DDShiratsuyu DD Urakaze =DDAsashio DD Uranami =DDFubuki DD Ushio =DDFubuki DD Usugumo =DDFubuki DD Uzuki =DDMutsuki DD Wakaba =DDShiratsuyu DD Wakatake (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Wakatsuki =DDAkizuki DD Yamagumo =DDAsashio DD Yamakaze =DDShiratsuyu DD Yayoi =DDMutsuki DD Yoizuki =DDAkizuki DD Yudachi =DDShiratsuyu DD Yugiri =DDFubuki DD Yugumo =DDAsashio DD Yukaze =DDMinekaze DD Yukikaze =DDAsashio DD Yunagi =DDMinekaze DD Yuzuki =DDMutsuki Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Akebono Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Genyo Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Itsukushima Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Kenyo Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Kokuyo Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Kyokuto Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Nichiei Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Nippon Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Shinkoku Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Toei Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Toho Maru =OLNippon Gunboat (Auxiliary) Nagata Maru =KMSSKinposan Hospital Ship Naminoue Maru =PLKiturin Kaibokan Hachijo =MSNO13 Kaibokan Ishigaki =MSNO13 Kaibokan Kunashiri =MSNO13 Kaibokan Shimushu =MSNO13 Kaibokan Shimushu =MSNO13 Minelayer (Auxiliary) Tenyo Maru =KLCSNagara Minelayer Itsukushima =MSNO13 Minelayer Kamone =SCSubchaser Minelayer Okinoshima =MLOkinoshima Minelayer Shirataka =MSNO13 Minelayer Tsubame =SCSubchaser Minelayer Tsugaru =MLOkinoshima Minelayer Yaeyama =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-1 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-10 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-11 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-13 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-14 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-15 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-16 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-17 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-18 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-19 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-2 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-3 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-4 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-5 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-6 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-7 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-8 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-9 =MSNO13 Netlayer Hatsutaka =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 1 (ex-Minekaze Class Shimakaze) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 2 (ex-Minekaze Class Nadakaze) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 31 (ex-Momi Class Kiku) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 32 (ex-Momi Class Aoi) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 33 (ex-Momi Class Hagi) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 34 (ex-Momi Class Suzuki) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 35 (ex-Momi Class Tsuta) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 36 (ex-Momi Class Fuji) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 37 (ex-Momi Class Hishi) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 38 (ex-Momi Class Yomogi) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 39 (ex-Momi Class Tade) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 46 (ex-Wakatake Class Yugao) =DDMinekaze Repair Ship Akashi =MLOkinoshima Repair Ship Asahi =MLOkinoshima Repair Ship Yamabiko Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kamikawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kamoi =OLNippon Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kimikawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kinugasa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kiyokawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kiyokawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kunikawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Sagara Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Sanuki Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Sanyo Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender Akitsushima =CVSChitose Seaplane Tender Chitose (pre-rebuild) =CVSChitose Seaplane Tender Chiyoda (pre-rebuild) =CVSChitose Seaplane Tender Mizuho =CVSChitose Seaplane Tender Nisshin =CVSChitose Subchaser Ch-1 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-10 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-11 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-12 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-13 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-14 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-15 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-2 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-25 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-26 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-27 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-28 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-29 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-3 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-33 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-4 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-5 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-6 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-7 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-8 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-9 =SCSubchaser Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Heian Maru =KLCSNagara Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Nagoya Maru =KLCSNagara Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Rio de Janeiro Maru =KLCSNagara Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Santos Maru =PLKiturin Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Yasukuni Maru =KLCSNagara Submarine Depot Ship Chogei =MLOkinoshima Submarine Depot Ship Jingei =MLOkinoshima Torpedo Boat Chidori =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Hato =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Hatsukari =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Hayabusa =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Hiyodori =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Kari =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Kasasagi =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Kiji =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Manazuru =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Otori =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Sagi =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Tomozuru =DDMutsuki Transport Aobasan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Arabia Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Arizona Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Asakasan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Asosan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Atsutasan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Ayatosan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Borneo Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Brisbane Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Cheribon Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Chifuku Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Chile Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport China Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Clyde Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Delagoa Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Fushimi Maru =PLHorai Transport Fuso Maru =PLHorai Transport Hawaii Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Hayo Maru? =KMSSBiyo Transport Hirokawa Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Hiyoshi Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Hokkai Maru =KLCSNagara Transport India Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Johore Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Kamo Maru =PLKiturin Transport Kamoi Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Kansai Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Kashii Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Katori Maru =PLHorai Transport Kenkon Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Kinka Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Kinugawa Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Koyu Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Kumagawa Maru? =KLCSNagara Transport Kunitama Maru =KSSSKasagisan Transport Kurohime Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Kuwayama Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Kyushu Maru =KLCSNagara Transport London Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Macassar Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Matsue Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Meigen Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Mexico Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Miike Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Moji Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Myoho Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Nagano Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Nako Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Nichiran Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Nichiryu Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Nikki Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Nojima Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Ohio Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Oigawa Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Oregon Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Oridono Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Risshun Maru =KMCSZinbu Transport Ryoyo Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Ryuun Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Sado Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Sagami Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Sakura Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Sanko Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Sasako Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Shinai Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Shinsei Maru No. 1 =KMSSBiyo Transport Shinshu Maru =PLHorai Transport Shiraha Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Shunko Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Suez Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Sumatra Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Tacoma Maru =KMCSZinbu Transport Taibun Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Takao Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Tamahoko Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Thames Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Toho Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Toho Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Tosan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Unknown Maru (Kinkai Maru?) =KMSSBiyo Transport Unknown Maru (Samaran Maru?) =KMCSAkita Transport Unknown Maru (Shinkaha Maru?) =KMCSAkita Transport Unknown Taifuku Maru No. 1 Class =KMSSBiyo Transport Unyo Maru No. 2 =KMSSKinposan Transport Venice Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Wakatsu Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Yamaura Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Yawata Maru =KSCSTaihosan Transport Yokohama Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Yuri Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Zenyo Maru =KLCSNagara |
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06-23-07, 02:50 PM
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Excellent list. I obviously only put classes in for ships other than the capital units (BBs and CVs).
Now I need to compare more thouroughly with mine  <S> BTW, given your excellent research regarding the power output of the various uinits, I'd be very interested in seeing what you are working on, campaign wise. My current set is a Q&D stand in for what I really want to do, a total rework. tater |
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Navy Seal
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This is a quick rework of nematode's list combined with mine, and grouped into Classes. The class ship is bold, if it has no "=NAME" the ship already exists in game. My only major break from nematode's list is Hiyo, she looks more like Taiho, IMO.
http://www.combinedfleet.com/taiho_c.htm http://www.combinedfleet.com/hiyo_c.htm I also think Yubari might be better as the DD Akizuki, the minelayer has far less weaponry, though the down side it as a DD, it will hunt you. Also, Shimakaze has to be Akizuki, not Fubuki she was over 3000 tons! I could actually quickly make cloned versions set to be type=6 for those.OTOH, nematode's choice of Kuma for Tenryu was clearly superior. I haven't finished grouping the DDs, I'll edit this later. BTW, they are arranged in the large list, and within class by date, hence the odd looking order. (also because combinedfleet.com does it this way and it's easier to copy the list, lol) Battleships BB Fuso BB Yamashiro =BBFuso BB Nagato =BBFuso BB Mutsu =BBFuso BB Kongo BB Hiei =BBKongo BB Kirishima =BBKongo BB Haruna =BBKongo BB Ise (pre-rebuild) BB Ise (post-rebuild) =BBIse Late War BB Huyga (post-rebuild) =BBIseConv BB Hyuga (pre-rebuild) =BBIse BB Yamato BB Musashi =BBYamato Heavy Cruisers CA Furutaka CA Kako =CAFurutaka CA Aoba =CAFurutaka CA Kinugasa =CAFurutaka CA Myoko =CATakao CA Ashigara =CATakao CA Nachi =CATakao CA Haguro =CATakao CA Takao CA Maya =CATakao CA Chokai =CATakao CA Atago =CATakao CA Mogami (pre-rebuild) =CATakao CA Mogami (post-rebuild) =CAMogami CA Mikuma =CATakao CA Suzuya =CATakao CA Kumano =CATakao CA Tone =CAMogami CA Chikuma =CAMogami Light Cruisers CL Tenryu =CLKuma CL Tatsuta =CLKuma CL Kuma CL Tama =CLKuma CL Kitakami =CLKuma CL Oi =CLKuma CL Kiso =CLKuma CL Yubari =MLOkinoshima (I might "BP-clone" Akizuki to be a CL for her instead) CL Nagara =CLKuma CL Isuzu =CLKuma CL Yura =CLKuma CL Natori =CLKuma CL Kinu =CLKuma CL Abukuma =CLKuma CL Naka CL Sendai =CLNaka CL Jintsu =CLNaka CL Katori =MLOkinoshima CL Kashima =MLOkinoshima CL Kashii =MLOkinoshima CL Agano CL Yahagi =CLAgano CL Noshiro =CLAgano CL Sakawa =CLAgano CL Oyodo =CLAgano Fleet Carriers CV Akagi =CVShokaku CV Kaga =CVShokaku CV Soryu =CVHiryu CV Hiryu CV Shokaku CV Zuikaku =CVShokaku CV Unryu =CVHiryu CV Amagi =CVHiryu CV Katsuragi =CVHiryu CV Hiyo =CVTaiho (alt Shokaku, but look at them, it looks more like Taiho IMO) CV Junyo =CVTaiho CV Taiho CV Shinano =CVTaiho CVL Chitose (post-rebuild) =CVETaiyo CVL Chiyoda (post-rebuild) =CVETaiyo CVL Hosho =CVETaiyo CVL Ryujo =CVETaiyo CVL Ryuho =CVETaiyo CVL Shoho =CVETaiyo CVL Zuiho =CVETaiyo Escort Carriers CVE Taiyo CVE Chuyo =CVETaiyo CVE Unyo =CVETaiyo CVE Kaiyo =CVETaiyo CVE Shinyo =CVETaiyo Destroyers Momi (Old DD) DD Hasu (Momi Class) =DDMinekaze DD Kuri (Momi Class) =DDMinekaze DD Tsuga (Momi Class) =DDMinekaze DD Sanae (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Wakatake =DDMinekaze (Old DD) DD Asagao (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Fuyo (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Karukaya (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Kuretake (Wakatake Class) =DDMinekaze DD Minekaze DD Sawakaze =DDMinekaze DD Okikaze =DDMinekaze DD Hakaze =DDMinekaze DD Yakaze =DDMinekaze DD Akikaze =DDMinekaze DD Shiokaze =DDMinekaze DD Yukaze =DDMinekaze DD Hokaze =DDMinekaze DD Tachikaze =DDMinekaze DD Nokaze =DDMinekaze DD Namikaze =DDMinekaze DD Numakaze =DDMinekaze DD Kamikaze =DDMinekaze DD Harukaze =DDMinekaze DD Asakaze =DDMinekaze DD Matsukaze =DDMinekaze DD Yunagi =DDMinekaze DD Hatakaze =DDMinekaze DD Oite =DDMinekaze DD Hayate =DDMinekaze DD Asanagi =DDMinekaze DD Mutsuki DD Fumizuki =DDMutsuki DD Kikuzuki =DDMutsuki DD Kisaragi =DDMutsuki DD Mikazuki =DDMutsuki DD Minazuki =DDMutsuki DD Mochizuki =DDMutsuki DD Nagatsuki =DDMutsuki DD Satsuki =DDMutsuki DD Uzuki =DDMutsuki DD Yayoi =DDMutsuki DD Yuzuki =DDMutsuki DD Fubuki DD Shirayuki =DDFubuki DD Hatsuyuki =DDFubuki DD Murakumo =DDFubuki DD Shinonome =DDFubuki DD Usugumo =DDFubuki DD Shirakumo =DDFubuki DD Isonami =DDFubuki DD Uranami =DDFubuki DD Ayanami =DDFubuki DD Shikinami =DDFubuki DD Asagiri =DDFubuki DD Yugiri =DDFubuki DD Amagiri =DDFubuki DD Sagiri =DDFubuki DD Oboro =DDFubuki DD Akebono =DDFubuki DD Sazanami =DDFubuki DD Ushio =DDFubuki DD Akatsuki =DDFubuki DD Hibiki =DDFubuki DD Ikazuchi =DDFubuki DD Inazuma =DDFubuki DD Hatsuharu =DDShiratsuyu DD Ariake =DDShiratsuyu DD Hatsushimo =DDShiratsuyu DD Nenohi =DDShiratsuyu DD Wakaba =DDShiratsuyu DD Yugure =DDShiratsuyu DD Harusame =DDShiratsuyu DD Shiratsuyu DD Shigure =DDShiratsuyu DD Murasame =DDShiratsuyu DD Yudachi =DDShiratsuyu DD Samidare =DDShiratsuyu DD Yamakaze =DDShiratsuyu DD Kawakaze =DDShiratsuyu DD Umikaze =DDShiratsuyu DD Suzukaze =DDShiratsuyu DD Asashio DD Oshio =DDAsashio DD Michishio =DDAsashio DD Arashio =DDAsashio DD Natsugumo =DDAsashio DD Yamagumo =DDAsashio DD Minegumo =DDAsashio DD Asagumo =DDAsashio DD Arare =DDAsashio DD Kasumi =DDAsashio DD Kagero =DDAsashio DD Kuroshio =DDAsashio DD Oyashio =DDAsashio DD Hatsukaze =DDAsashio DD Natsushio =DDAsashio DD Yukikaze =DDAsashio DD Hayashio =DDAsashio DD Maikaze =DDAsashio DD Isokaze =DDAsashio DD Shiranuhi =DDAsashio DD Amatsukaze =DDAsashio DD Tokitsukaze =DDAsashio DD Urakaze =DDAsashio DD Hamakaze =DDAsashio DD Nowaki =DDAsashio DD Arashi =DDAsashio DD Hagikaze =DDAsashio DD Tanikaze =DDAsashio DD Akigumo =DDAsashio DD Yugumo =DDAsashio DD Kazagumo =DDAsashio DD Makigumo =DDAsashio DD Makinami =DDAsashio DD Takanami =DDAsashio DD Naganami =DDAsashio DD Tamanami =DDAsashio DD Suzunami =DDAsashio DD Onami =DDAsashio DD Fujinami =DDAsashio DD Kishinami =DDAsashio DD Hayanami =DDAsashio DD Kiyonami =DDAsashio DD Okinami =DDAsashio DD Hamanami =DDAsashio DD Asashimo =DDAsashio DD Kiyoshimo =DDAsashio DD Hayashimo =DDAsashio DD Akishimo =DDAsashio DD Akizuki DD Teruzuki =DDAkizuki DD Suzutsuki =DDAkizuki DD Hatsuzuki =DDAkizuki DD Niizuki =DDAkizuki DD Wakatsuki =DDAkizuki DD Shimotsuki =DDAkizuki DD Fuyuzuki =DDAkizuki DD Hanazuki =DDAkizuki DD Yoizuki =DDAkizuki DD Haruzuki =DDAkizuki DD Natsuzuki =DDAkizuki DD Shimakaze =DDAkizuki DD(E) Matsu =DDMutsuki ? Hard to do this guy. Patrol Boats (ex-DDs) Patrol Boat No. 1 (ex-Minekaze Class Shimakaze) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 2 (ex-Minekaze Class Nadakaze) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 31 (ex-Momi Class Kiku) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 32 (ex-Momi Class Aoi) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 33 (ex-Momi Class Hagi) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 34 (ex-Momi Class Suzuki) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 35 (ex-Momi Class Tsuta) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 36 (ex-Momi Class Fuji) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 37 (ex-Momi Class Hishi) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 38 (ex-Momi Class Yomogi) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 39 (ex-Momi Class Tade) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 46 (ex-Wakatake Class Yugao) =DDMinekaze Patrol Boat No. 102 (ex-Clemson Class, USS Stewart) =DDClemson Fleet Oilers Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Akebono Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Genyo Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Itsukushima Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Kenyo Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Kokuyo Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Kyokuto Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Nichiei Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Nippon Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Shinkoku Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Toei Maru =OLNippon Fleet Oiler (Auxiliary) Toho Maru =OLNippon Gunboat (Auxiliary) Nagata Maru =KMSSKinposan Hospital Ship Naminoue Maru =PLKiturin Kaibokan Hachijo =MSNO13 Kaibokan Ishigaki =MSNO13 Kaibokan Kunashiri =MSNO13 Kaibokan Shimushu =MSNO13 Kaibokan Shimushu =MSNO13 Minelayer (Auxiliary) Tenyo Maru =KLCSNagara Minelayer Itsukushima =MSNO13 Minelayer Kamone =SCSubchaser Minelayer Okinoshima =MLOkinoshima Minelayer Shirataka =MSNO13 Minelayer Tsubame =SCSubchaser Minelayer Tsugaru =MLOkinoshima Minelayer Yaeyama =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-1 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-10 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-11 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-13 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-14 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-15 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-16 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-17 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-18 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-19 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-2 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-3 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-4 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-5 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-6 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-7 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-8 =MSNO13 Minesweeper W-9 =MSNO13 Netlayer Hatsutaka =DDMinekaze Repair Ship Akashi =MLOkinoshima Repair Ship Asahi =MLOkinoshima Repair Ship Yamabiko Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kamoi =OLNippon Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Natoro =OLNippon Kamikawa Maru Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kamikawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kimikawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kiyokawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kunikawa Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Kinugasa Maru =KLCSNagara Sakitu Maru Class (converted to transports in 1942) Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Sagara Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Sanuki Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender (Auxiliary) Sanyo Maru =KLCSNagara Seaplane Tender Akitsushima =CVSChitose Seaplane Tender Chitose (pre-rebuild) =CVSChitose Seaplane Tender Chiyoda (pre-rebuild) =CVSChitose Seaplane Tender Mizuho =CVSChitose Seaplane Tender Nisshin =CVSChitose Subchasers Subchaser Ch-1 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-10 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-11 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-12 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-13 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-14 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-15 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-2 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-25 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-26 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-27 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-28 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-29 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-3 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-33 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-4 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-5 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-6 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-7 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-8 =SCSubchaser Subchaser Ch-9 =SCSubchaser Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Heian Maru =KLCSNagara Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Nagoya Maru =KLCSNagara Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Rio de Janeiro Maru =KLCSNagara Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Santos Maru =PLKiturin Submarine Depot Ship (Auxiliary) Yasukuni Maru =KLCSNagara Submarine Depot Ship Chogei =MLOkinoshima Submarine Depot Ship Jingei =MLOkinoshima Torpedo Boat Chidori =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Hato =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Hatsukari =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Hayabusa =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Hiyodori =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Kari =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Kasasagi =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Kiji =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Manazuru =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Otori =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Sagi =DDMutsuki Torpedo Boat Tomozuru =DDMutsuki XPCs: Armed Trawler will work (I have one made with japanese crew and weapons ready to go). Armed Tug will work (I have this as well). IJ ARMY "Carriers" Really "plane ferries." (these should all be reset to zero air groups since planes flew off ONCE to land bases) Nigicu Maru = Akitsu Maru Shimane Maru = Akitsu Maru Otakisan Maru = Akitsu Maru Yamashiro Maru = Akitsu Maru Chigusa Maru = Akitsu Maru Kumano Maru = Akitsu Maru On the Armed Merchant Cruisers below, couldn't we use the German Aux Cruiser (NAMC in the Sea folder)? All we need do is add it to the roster. http://www.combinedfleet.com/Tokusetsu%20Junyokan!.htm Of course the NAMC is about half the size of a real armed merchant cruiser. Armed Merchant Cruiser Aikoku Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Akagi Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Awata Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Hokoku Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Kinryu Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Kiyosumi Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Kongo Maru =KLCSNagara Armed Merchant Cruiser Noshiro Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Aobasan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Arabia Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Arizona Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Asakasan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Asosan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Atsutasan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Ayatosan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Borneo Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Brisbane Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Cheribon Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Chifuku Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Chile Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport China Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Clyde Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Delagoa Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Fushimi Maru =PLHorai Transport Fuso Maru =PLHorai Transport Hawaii Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Hayo Maru? =KMSSBiyo Transport Hirokawa Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Hiyoshi Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Hokkai Maru =KLCSNagara Transport India Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Johore Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Kamo Maru =PLKiturin Transport Kamoi Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Kansai Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Kashii Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Katori Maru =PLHorai Transport Kenkon Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Kinka Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Kinugawa Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Koyu Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Kumagawa Maru? =KLCSNagara Transport Kunitama Maru =KSSSKasagisan Transport Kurohime Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Kuwayama Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Kyushu Maru =KLCSNagara Transport London Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Macassar Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Matsue Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Meigen Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Mexico Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Miike Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Moji Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Myoho Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Nagano Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Nako Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Nichiran Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Nichiryu Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Nikki Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Nojima Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Ohio Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Oigawa Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Oregon Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Oridono Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Risshun Maru =KMCSZinbu Transport Ryoyo Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Ryuun Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Sado Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Sagami Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Sakura Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Sanko Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Sasako Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Shinai Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Shinsei Maru No. 1 =KMSSBiyo Transport Shinshu Maru =PLHorai Transport Shiraha Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Shunko Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Suez Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Sumatra Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Tacoma Maru =KMCSZinbu Transport Taibun Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Takao Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Tamahoko Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Thames Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Toho Maru =KMCSHeito Transport Toho Maru =KMCSAkita Transport Tosan Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Unknown Maru (Kinkai Maru?) =KMSSBiyo Transport Unknown Maru (Samaran Maru?) =KMCSAkita Transport Unknown Maru (Shinkaha Maru?) =KMCSAkita Transport Unknown Taifuku Maru No. 1 Class =KMSSBiyo Transport Unyo Maru No. 2 =KMSSKinposan Transport Venice Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Wakatsu Maru =KMSSBiyo Transport Yamaura Maru =KLCSNagara Transport Yawata Maru =KSCSTaihosan Transport Yokohama Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Yuri Maru =KLSSHakusika Transport Zenyo Maru =KLCSNagara Last edited by tater; 08-20-07 at 10:23 AM. |
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06-25-07, 11:19 PM
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Seaman
Join Date: Apr 2005
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>also think Yubari might be better as the DD Akizuki, the minelayer has far less weaponry, though the down side it as a DD, it will hunt you.
Hehe yeah, the DD ai could make things wierd for a Yubari. For example 1st Wake invasion, Yubari was flagship of the force that was slapped around by the US Marine shore batteries. I wouldn't want the flagship to be peeling off to hunt a sub at that moment But seriously there isn't any obvious, great fit for Yubari in the SH4 ship pool, any choice is gonna have to be a compromise.I went with Okinoshima as a fit for Yubari on tonnage, AI role, general appearance, everything except top speed, and guns, and its lack of guns is a bug. At some point in the SH4 patch sequence, Okinoshima's guns dissapeared. I assume its simply a matter of putting stuff back into its config files. >Also, Shimakaze has to be Akizuki, not Fubuki she was over 3000 tons! When I was thinking thru the substitution for Shimakaze, I was focusing on its 39knot speed, so that's how I came by Fubuki and its 38kts as a substitute. Tonnage wise, agreed, Akizuki is a better fit. >DD(E) Matsu =DDMutsuki ? Hard to do this guy. Yeah, I don't have the slightest idea on a good substitute for Matsu. There really isn't one in the pool. I think I'm holding out hope that someday someone will model one. >On the Armed Merchant Cruisers below, couldn't we use the German Aux Cruiser >(NAMC in the Sea folder)? All we need do is add it to the roster. That's a good idea. That would produce a working AMC pending availability of a kitbashed KLCSNagara with guns (which was what Kongo Maru, Kiyosumi Maru, Akagi Maru, Awata Maru, Kinryu Maru and Noshiro Maru basically were) or an 11k ton Aikoku Maru class vessel, attractive armed to the teeth converted passenger cargo liners, which I doubt we will ever see in SH4 but I remember them fondly from SH1. NAMC would also be a good candidate for a kitbash to make another maru, for example aux sub tenders Rio de Janerio Maru or Heian Maru, also the Hikawa Maru which somehow amazingly survived and is a tourist attraction in Yokohama. |
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06-25-07, 11:34 PM
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Navy Seal
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: New Mexico, USA
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http://mpgtext.net/subshare/357AMC.rar
There's the AMC as a JSGME mod (added to roster). I don't grok the 3d modding, or I'd already be workign on coastal shipping like sea trucks and fox tare dogs, sugar baker sugars, etc, lol. Good point on Yubari though. I can see Fubuki even on looks, too. Tough call. The speed didn't bother me since once it's faster than a fleet boat, it really doesn't matter much for SH4, I won't be doing any end-arounds on her if she's making 33 knots, or 39  tater |
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06-25-07, 11:41 PM
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Navy Seal
Join Date: Mar 2007
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BTW, I used the mod based on your research (ship HP) as a base, and upped the OLNippon's top speed to 19 knots (was set to 12 I think). That makes it a more attractive fleet oiler.
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