"Real" Recognition Guide

dmlavan · 06-15-07, 11:55 AM

Does anyone know what UBoats actually used for recognition guides? I assume the Kriegsmarine had a silhouette guide for warships, and they probably used Lloyd's register or something similar for merchants. I've tried numerous internet searches but have come up empty - would appreciate any assistance. Thanks.

Hitman · 06-15-07, 02:46 PM

I have a picture in a book where Erich Topp is seen writing in his diary and a open book on the table shows ship silhouettes. I will see about scanning it, but if you do a search for Topp images you might find it. I think it belongs to the U-552 patrol that was covered by a journalist, there are lots of photos about it.:hmm:

EDIT: Found it! See it here: http://www.u552.de/images/galleries/toppkm/topp03.jpg

dmlavan · 06-15-07, 03:02 PM

Thanks. I've found what US boat skippers used (put out by ONI), but I'm wondering what book it is he's using.

Hitman · 06-15-07, 03:15 PM

What have you been searching so far? For a KM book, or for the Lloyd's register? Or both? The picture can be of some use if you now start looking for ship's registers and if the KM just copied one instead of doing their own book :hmm: . Anyway, try now to see if you find old registers pics and compare. Look at this example:

http://books.google.es/books?id=AR4k...houette&pgis=1

Hope that helps

dmlavan · 06-15-07, 04:52 PM

Hitman,
I've tried searching for a Kriegsmarine book but have not found any... so I'm trying to find out what book(s) the U-Boat captains actually used to identify targets. For example, if it was a KM book, what was the book (so I can then go try to find one)? I think they used a Lloyd's register for merchants, but I'm not sure and haven't found a reference that says what they used.
Thanks for the link to the photo w/ Topp - knowing what the pages inside look like will help.

Puster Bill · 06-15-07, 07:33 PM

For some reason, the name 'Groners' with an umlaut over the 'o' comes to mind. I think that was the German equivalent of "Jane's".

dmlavan · 06-16-07, 01:34 PM

JSCones - thanks! That's what I've been looking for. Appreciate the help!

bigboywooly · 06-16-07, 04:15 PM

Plenty on ebay

http://search.ebay.de/Weyers

06-15-07, 11:55 AM	#1
dmlavan Weps Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 351 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	"Real" Recognition Guide Does anyone know what UBoats actually used for recognition guides? I assume the Kriegsmarine had a silhouette guide for warships, and they probably used Lloyd's register or something similar for merchants. I've tried numerous internet searches but have come up empty - would appreciate any assistance. Thanks.

06-15-07, 02:46 PM	#2
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	I have a picture in a book where Erich Topp is seen writing in his diary and a open book on the table shows ship silhouettes. I will see about scanning it, but if you do a search for Topp images you might find it. I think it belongs to the U-552 patrol that was covered by a journalist, there are lots of photos about it.:hmm: EDIT: Found it! See it here: http://www.u552.de/images/galleries/toppkm/topp03.jpg __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

06-15-07, 03:15 PM	#4
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	What have you been searching so far? For a KM book, or for the Lloyd's register? Or both? The picture can be of some use if you now start looking for ship's registers and if the KM just copied one instead of doing their own book :hmm: . Anyway, try now to see if you find old registers pics and compare. Look at this example: http://books.google.es/books?id=AR4k...houette&pgis=1 Hope that helps __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

06-15-07, 07:33 PM	#6
Puster Bill Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: BA8758, or FN33eh for my fellow hams. Posts: 833 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	For some reason, the name 'Groners' with an umlaut over the 'o' comes to mind. I think that was the German equivalent of "Jane's". __________________ The U-Boat Commander of Love

06-16-07, 04:15 PM	#8
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Plenty on ebay http://search.ebay.de/Weyers __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

06-15-07, 03:02 PM	#3
dmlavan Weps Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 351 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	Thanks. I've found what US boat skippers used (put out by ONI), but I'm wondering what book it is he's using.

06-15-07, 04:52 PM	#5
dmlavan Weps Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 351 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	Hitman, I've tried searching for a Kriegsmarine book but have not found any... so I'm trying to find out what book(s) the U-Boat captains actually used to identify targets. For example, if it was a KM book, what was the book (so I can then go try to find one)? I think they used a Lloyd's register for merchants, but I'm not sure and haven't found a reference that says what they used. Thanks for the link to the photo w/ Topp - knowing what the pages inside look like will help.

06-16-07, 01:34 PM	#7
dmlavan Weps Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 351 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	JSCones - thanks! That's what I've been looking for. Appreciate the help!