Global Peace index

Gorduz · 06-03-07, 06:37 AM

How peaceful is your country?
My biggest suprise was russia.. what's happening over there?

http://www.visionofhumanity.com/rankings/

Jimbuna · 06-03-07, 07:03 AM

Not suprised seeing Iraq at the bottom

But where is Afghanistan? :hmm:

The Avon Lady · 06-03-07, 09:36 AM

I would like to have seen this organization produce the same map in 1937/8 and see what conclusions they would have drawn from that.

"Britain and France had a choice between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war."
- Winston Churchill, addressing Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords, 1938

Heibges · 06-03-07, 09:48 AM

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I would like to have seen this organization produce the same map in 1937/8 and see what conclusions they would have drawn from that.

"Britain and France had a choice between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war."
- Winston Churchill, addressing Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords, 1938

Let's try not to read more into this list than there is.

Israel being listed towards the bottom of the list doesn't mean that Israeli's aren't peaceful, just that on any given day the odds of something bad happening to you is greater compared to say Norway. Is this really a big surprise?

What would be interesting is to see where Germany would be on the list in 1928 and 1938? There were a lot of folks in the United States that looked on the "peaceful" Nazi society with envy (Walt Disney, Henry Ford, etc)

The Avon Lady · 06-03-07, 10:10 AM

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I would like to have seen this organization produce the same map in 1937/8 and see what conclusions they would have drawn from that.

"Britain and France had a choice between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war."
- Winston Churchill, addressing Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords, 1938

Let's try not to read more into this list than there is.

Israel being listed towards the bottom of the list doesn't mean that Israeli's aren't peaceful, just that on any given day the odds of something bad happening to you is greater compared to say Norway. Is this really a big surprise?

What would be interesting is to see where Germany would be on the list in 1928 and 1938? There were a lot of folks in the United States that looked on the "peaceful" Nazi society with envy (Walt Disney, Henry Ford, etc)

What you say is exactly what I meant - 100%!

dean_acheson · 06-04-07, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I would like to have seen this organization produce the same map in 1937/8 and see what conclusions they would have drawn from that.

"Britain and France had a choice between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war."
- Winston Churchill, addressing Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords, 1938

Any group that this is their main supporter list is a bit suspect in my eyes....

HH Dalai Lama
Archbishop Desmond Tutu
Betty Williams
President Jimmy Carter
Amnesty International
Professor Joseph Stiglitz

Joseph Stiglitz? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The world's premier income redistribution leader?

CCIP · 06-03-07, 10:22 AM

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My biggest suprise was russia.. what's happening over there?

You can see the details if you click on the country name. Most of it is written off to internal problems like crime rates, terrorist acts, life expectancy and the 'un-democratization'.

Very accurate reflection. A lot of people don't really see how bad it is in Russia because of the recent economic uplift. Economic uplift isn't everything.

Heibges · 06-03-07, 10:29 AM

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My biggest suprise was russia.. what's happening over there?

You can see the details if you click on the country name. Most of it is written off to internal problems like crime rates, terrorist acts, life expectancy and the 'un-democratization'.

Very accurate reflection. A lot of people don't really see how bad it is in Russia because of the recent economic uplift. Economic uplift isn't everything.

It seems like the only thing that happened in Russia since the end of the Sovet Government is a few folks got very very very very rich. Everyone else is taking it in the rear.

One of the reasons Western companies are scared to invest in Russia, is that even though they have democracy, the "rule of law" doen not seem to exist.

Slightly OT: There was huge scandal recently with Russian Billionaries importing prostitutes into France from Russia through Switzerland for their own private use.

The Avon Lady · 06-03-07, 10:29 AM

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My biggest suprise was russia.. what's happening over there?

You can see the details if you click on the country name. Most of it is written off to internal problems like crime rates, terrorist acts, life expectancy and the 'un-democratization'.

Very accurate reflection. A lot of people don't really see how bad it is in Russia because of the recent economic uplift. Economic uplift isn't everything.

Putin's temper tantrum.

Heibges · 06-03-07, 10:42 AM

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My biggest suprise was russia.. what's happening over there?

You can see the details if you click on the country name. Most of it is written off to internal problems like crime rates, terrorist acts, life expectancy and the 'un-democratization'.

Very accurate reflection. A lot of people don't really see how bad it is in Russia because of the recent economic uplift. Economic uplift isn't everything.

Putin's temper tantrum.

I was standing at a bus stop talking to this old man the other night. He was a Russian Jew who had emigrated to the United States in the late 1980's. He said he left Russia because although his internal passport said Russian, his nose said Jew and he was always getting beaten up. Still, he hated Gorbachev for making Russia weak, thought Yeltsin was a drunken pig, a loved Putin for trying to make Russia strong again.

CCIP · 06-03-07, 10:51 AM

I'm pretty sure the only people who liked Gorbachev and Yeltsin are the few that benefitted under them (e.g. 'oligarchs', organized crime, the church) and of course the West :hmm: Noone should be surprised by Putin's relative popularity at home.

Heibges · 06-03-07, 10:57 AM

You don't think that Gorbachev had the best interests of the Russian people at heart?

fatty · 06-03-07, 10:31 AM

Whenever these sorts of lists are published I am always surprised to see how consistently well "crumbling old socialist Europe" places :p

Skybird · 06-03-07, 10:39 AM

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Whenever these sorts of lists are published I am always surprised to see how consistently well "crumbling old socialist Europe" places :p

Something like that was on my mind, too.

Safe-Keeper · 06-03-07, 04:03 PM

Yes, Israel would probably be higher up if it wasn't sharing area with the Palestinians. They... don't exactly get along too well.

I knew Norway was peaceful, but that it was #1 I just couldn't imagine. And here I was worrying about there seems to be more murders each year

. It should be mentioned, though, that peaceful and safe aren't necessarily the same thing. The weather's growing pretty hostile here on the South-Western coast, which has already caused fatalities. I think that if hurricanes and storms were factored in, we might drop a place or two, although I think we'd still rank among the 5 top countries.

Also, I notice some countries, such as Iceland and Greenland, appear not to be included. Surely Iceland must be more peaceful than Norway, what with it only having 300 000 people

? I'd liked to have known where Rwanda would have been, too.

06-03-07, 07:03 AM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,630 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not suprised seeing Iraq at the bottom But where is Afghanistan? :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-03-07, 09:36 AM	#3
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I would like to have seen this organization produce the same map in 1937/8 and see what conclusions they would have drawn from that. "Britain and France had a choice between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war." - Winston Churchill, addressing Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords, 1938 __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

06-03-07, 10:51 AM	#11
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I'm pretty sure the only people who liked Gorbachev and Yeltsin are the few that benefitted under them (e.g. 'oligarchs', organized crime, the church) and of course the West :hmm: Noone should be surprised by Putin's relative popularity at home. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

06-03-07, 10:57 AM	#12
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	You don't think that Gorbachev had the best interests of the Russian people at heart? __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

06-03-07, 04:03 PM	#15
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Yes, Israel would probably be higher up if it wasn't sharing area with the Palestinians. They... don't exactly get along too well. I knew Norway was peaceful, but that it was #1 I just couldn't imagine. And here I was worrying about there seems to be more murders each year. It should be mentioned, though, that peaceful and safe aren't necessarily the same thing. The weather's growing pretty hostile here on the South-Western coast, which has already caused fatalities. I think that if hurricanes and storms were factored in, we might drop a place or two, although I think we'd still rank among the 5 top countries. Also, I notice some countries, such as Iceland and Greenland, appear not to be included. Surely Iceland must be more peaceful than Norway, what with it only having 300 000 people? I'd liked to have known where Rwanda would have been, too. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

06-03-07, 06:37 AM	#1
Gorduz Engineer Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 210 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Global Peace index How peaceful is your country? My biggest suprise was russia.. what's happening over there? http://www.visionofhumanity.com/rankings/ __________________ 21. MTB skv. Attacks without warning.

06-03-07, 10:31 AM	#13
fatty The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,448 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Whenever these sorts of lists are published I am always surprised to see how consistently well "crumbling old socialist Europe" places :p