US funds the enemy

Skybird · 05-20-07, 05:22 AM

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/...kistan-web.php

My critical and hostile attitude towards Pakistan is known. I repeatedly referred to Pakistan's role in founding and supporting the Taleban since the 80s, and the links between major parts fo their military and intel community with the Taleban. Pakistan not really fights the Taleban - it sympathizes with them, they are it's own creation (created with help of the CIA during the soviet occupation).

However, it seems that Washington pays huge sums to Pakistan in order to get their support and stabilize Musharaf - ignoring that God knows how much of that money I have no doubt is funneled to the Taleban directly, and Musharaf playing a double game.

That politicians even reject recommendations of their own military leaders in Afghanistan, to make it a condition that money must be earned by the Pakistani by their military contributions and successes, just shows how very, very stupid the leaders are acting in Washington, and how very, very much off reality they are. They are hoping for the best, and that is all. If I again may use AL's signature: but "hope is not a strategy".

The level of stupidity in paying 5 billions to Pakistan, or better: to our enemy, deserves only this: scornful laughter, loud and resounding.

Europeans obviously are not the only ones who ignore and well-intend themselves to death.

With regard to the fact that Pakistan does not plan to get nukes, but already has them, I have some worrying and uncomfortable conclusions on my mind, but I keep them for myself, since nobody here would like them anyway and would only trigger the volume going up. If you are smart you can imagine yourself why it is a mistake to waste ressources on and on in Iraq, and concerning nukes to focus on Iran exclusively. There are more serious worries with regard to Afghanistan and Pakistan (and India as well).

"Trapped in the Afghan maze".

joea · 05-20-07, 05:30 AM

Well I would have to agree in general with this post...been wondering for a long time myself since the mid-90s...some interesting conversations with an Afghan neighbour in residence in Ottawa where I did my M.A. :hmm:

Skybird · 05-20-07, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

some interesting conversations with an Afghan neighbour in residence in Ottawa where I did my M.A. :hmm:

Ha, I can imagine... All in all, Pakistani in general are not popular in Afghanistan, maybe with some Pushtun tribes only (who accepted there assistance during the Soviet era, and also accepted the Taleban), but that's it. To say that the majority of the other ethnicites is hostile towards Pakistan is no exaggeration - they have triggered some conspiracies too much in the past. The Soviet war has cut some deep wounds, and which side one has choosen in the past is probably not forgotten. Unfortunetaly, alliances in Afghanistan do not tell a history of holding long.

If you are no Afghan, you are an outsider anyway. Afghans, and in a way also the Persians, do not compare to the other Islamic huge ethnicities in the world.

The Avon Lady · 05-20-07, 09:04 AM

"And if our "staunch ally" Afghanistan goes to war with "staunch ally" Pakistan which "staunch ally" do we help? What a tangled web we weave, when e'er we practice to deceive. And how much more tangled the web of entangling alliances, when e'er we practice to deceive not others, but ourselves."
- Hugh Fitzgerald, Jihad Watch, comment on Musharraf acknowledges Islamic militancy rising as Lal Masjid jihadists abduct 4 police officers.

ASWnut101 · 05-20-07, 04:26 PM

Ok, Please tell me how we are "Funding the Enemy?" The money is going to just the opposite of what you said.

Although, I do understand this:

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Originally Posted by article

"They send us a bill, and we just pay it," said a senior military official who has dealt extensively with President Musharraf. "Nobody can really explain what we are getting for this money or even where it's going."

I haven't seen much from pakistan in return. This funding needs to stop, as it is obviously doing nothing.

Skybird · 05-20-07, 05:04 PM

Give Pakistan money, and part of it will directly end in the Taleban's funding. That simple. Musharaf is fighting for his own survival. He is by far not the master in his house. Huge parts of their secret service and military and officers have great sympathy for the Taleban. Also, the Pakistan military is too weak for the tribes in the west and Southwest. They got a bashing years before, and they got a bashing again recently when trying to establish control over these places.

You are wrong when saying the money you give them does nothing and should stop. It does very much. What it does is that it helps them to assist the Taleban and buy them weapons and supplies - that are used against your soldiers (and ours, btw, as was seen on Saturday). America allows itself to get betrayed. Pakistan is no ally of yours - but a traitor. Partially he hides his treachery, but partially you accept to get deceived, so that illusions must not be given up you meanwhile grew fond of.

Treachery and deception always takes two.

05-20-07, 05:22 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,767 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	US funds the enemy http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/...kistan-web.php My critical and hostile attitude towards Pakistan is known. I repeatedly referred to Pakistan's role in founding and supporting the Taleban since the 80s, and the links between major parts fo their military and intel community with the Taleban. Pakistan not really fights the Taleban - it sympathizes with them, they are it's own creation (created with help of the CIA during the soviet occupation). However, it seems that Washington pays huge sums to Pakistan in order to get their support and stabilize Musharaf - ignoring that God knows how much of that money I have no doubt is funneled to the Taleban directly, and Musharaf playing a double game. That politicians even reject recommendations of their own military leaders in Afghanistan, to make it a condition that money must be earned by the Pakistani by their military contributions and successes, just shows how very, very stupid the leaders are acting in Washington, and how very, very much off reality they are. They are hoping for the best, and that is all. If I again may use AL's signature: but "hope is not a strategy". The level of stupidity in paying 5 billions to Pakistan, or better: to our enemy, deserves only this: scornful laughter, loud and resounding. Europeans obviously are not the only ones who ignore and well-intend themselves to death. With regard to the fact that Pakistan does not plan to get nukes, but already has them, I have some worrying and uncomfortable conclusions on my mind, but I keep them for myself, since nobody here would like them anyway and would only trigger the volume going up. If you are smart you can imagine yourself why it is a mistake to waste ressources on and on in Iraq, and concerning nukes to focus on Iran exclusively. There are more serious worries with regard to Afghanistan and Pakistan (and India as well). "Trapped in the Afghan maze". __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-20-07, 09:04 AM	#4
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	"And if our "staunch ally" Afghanistan goes to war with "staunch ally" Pakistan which "staunch ally" do we help? What a tangled web we weave, when e'er we practice to deceive. And how much more tangled the web of entangling alliances, when e'er we practice to deceive not others, but ourselves." - Hugh Fitzgerald, Jihad Watch, comment on Musharraf acknowledges Islamic militancy rising as Lal Masjid jihadists abduct 4 police officers. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

05-20-07, 05:04 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,767 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Give Pakistan money, and part of it will directly end in the Taleban's funding. That simple. Musharaf is fighting for his own survival. He is by far not the master in his house. Huge parts of their secret service and military and officers have great sympathy for the Taleban. Also, the Pakistan military is too weak for the tribes in the west and Southwest. They got a bashing years before, and they got a bashing again recently when trying to establish control over these places. You are wrong when saying the money you give them does nothing and should stop. It does very much. What it does is that it helps them to assist the Taleban and buy them weapons and supplies - that are used against your soldiers (and ours, btw, as was seen on Saturday). America allows itself to get betrayed. Pakistan is no ally of yours - but a traitor. Partially he hides his treachery, but partially you accept to get deceived, so that illusions must not be given up you meanwhile grew fond of. Treachery and deception always takes two. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-20-07, 05:30 AM	#2
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Well I would have to agree in general with this post...been wondering for a long time myself since the mid-90s...some interesting conversations with an Afghan neighbour in residence in Ottawa where I did my M.A. :hmm: