Immigration Reform deal done?

[SUBMAN1]

The end is near I see:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070517/...ation_congress

-S

[The Avon Lady]

Capitulation, from A------ to Z, by Mark Steyn.

[Hitman]

Someone should start thinking seriously about putting an end to this ASAP, not just in the US but mainly in the EU. We can't continue absorbing the results of irresponsable demographics in the third world and/or poorer countries:hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Someone should start thinking seriously about putting an end to this ASAP, not just in the US but mainly in the EU. We can't continue absorbing the results of irresponsable demographics in the third world and/or poorer countries:hmm:

Exactly. I'm willing to pay the 12 million person bill for deportation.

They say Americans won't do the job - BS. Pay them enough and they will. This is just an excuse to pay people under minimum wage for jobs that Americans would demand more $$$ for. Americans did these jobs long before there was a problem.

-S

PS. If they need the money to get rid of them, add $10 to everyones tax return for one year. That will give them over $3 Billion to get rid of them all. I won't miss the $10.

[Hitman]

They say Americans won't do the job - BS. Pay them enough and they will. This is just an excuse to pay people under minimum wage for jobs that Americans would demand more $$$ for. Americans did these jobs long before there was a problem.

It always amazes me how the leftish politicians and the trade unions are accepting the inmigration. Completely crazy and against any logical reason...the wages and general conditions of the humble classes would skyrocket if those jobs had to be paid enough to attract people to them. It's actually the inmigration a good part of the reason why they still are crappy jobs. Only the inmigrants do them....

Anyway I'm not against a certain amount of inmigration, but any amount that makes it impossible to assimilate and integrate them is a NO NO for me. That is an invasion, not inmigration.

EDIT: Forgot to add:

A guy I know here had this idea to end inmigration: Put death penalty on the second ilegal border-crossing. If you are caught once you are informed that finding you again in this country will result in death penalty. Then you are asked where you want to return and helped arrive there. But if you are caught again in this country, you are shot after a summary trial.

Got an idea how upset is people here already?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Hitman

It always amazes me how the leftish politicians and the trade unions are accepting the inmigration. Completely crazy and against any logical reason...the wages and general conditions of the humble classes would skyrocket if those jobs had to be paid enough to attract people to them. It's actually the inmigration a good part of the reason why they still are crappy jobs. Only the inmigrants do them....

Anyway I'm not against a certain amount of inmigration, but any amount that makes it impossible to assimilate and integrate them is a NO NO for me. That is an invasion, not inmigration.

There was a big article in Businessweek 2 weeks ago, singing the praise of the success of massive immigration in your country, Spain. The article claimed that Spain could serve as the positive role model for the rest of Europe, now much more experienced in the negative aspects of immigration. The article devoted one small paragraph to what-if-it-doesn't-work and then moved on to nothing but blind positive thinking.

It's not my country. I could afford to laugh at the author but I just shook my head.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Someone should start thinking seriously about putting an end to this ASAP, not just in the US but mainly in the EU. We can't continue absorbing the results of irresponsable demographics in the third world and/or poorer countries:hmm:

You guys should have thought of that before you went and colonized them. Great job you did around the world. You really should be proud of yourselves.

As yee sow, so shall yee reap.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Heibges

You guys should have thought of that before you went and colonized them. Great job you did around the world. You really should be proud of yourselves.

As yee sow, so shall yee reap.

How far back in history can we go to use this logic? :hmm:

[Heibges]

Start back 50 years ago since the end of WWII, for most of the world. Which is barely history if you follow the 30 Years Rule.

But look at Russia, and some of those bad feelings go back 600 years. It's always been tough being Russia's neighboor.

I had a professor in college who predicted that a war between Russia and Ukraine was likely. But it's been almost 20 years so hopefully this will not come to pass.

Japan, you could argue, is the only country that benefited by contact with the West.