Is there a way to ask the WO for a solution?

senorbeef · 05-14-07, 03:34 AM

In the SH4 manual, listed under realism options, it has Manual Targeting System as you'd expect. But it also has:

No Weapons Officer Assistance:When selected, the Weapons Officer will not identify targets or calculate firing solutions for you. You must determine range, speed, and Angle On Bow (AOB) by yourself. (6%)

As far as I can see, this option does not actually exist in the game.

Back in SH3, I'd play with manual targetting, but if I wanted to double check my solution, or if I had to make a snap solution under pressure, I'd ask my weapons officer. Or when I was learning how to use the TDC manually, I'd make a solution, and then ask the WO for a solution, and see where I went wrong.

Has this method of gameplay been removed from the game completely?

It seems as though you can only have unrealistic arcadey instant auto-targetting, or extremely difficult completely unassisted targetting. Is the happy in-between that existed in SH3 gone?

vindex · 05-14-07, 04:31 AM

The manual is silly. No such thing as a WO in SH4.

I kind of miss that option. It was a good "middle of the road" choice between point-and-click and getting out the protractor.

AVGWarhawk · 05-14-07, 09:25 AM

The only solution he will give you is 1 part water, 4 parts scotch....the 1 part water is optional. The WO does not assist like SH3 and I sure do miss the guy.

Iron Budokan · 05-14-07, 09:33 AM

Yes, I also liked having the WO.

bruschi sauro · 05-14-07, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The only solution he will give you is 1 part water, 4 parts scotch....the 1 part water is optional. The WO does not assist like SH3 and I sure do miss the guy.

I prefear one part of Martini and ten part of Gin, this drink is called Montgomery...:rotfl:

macky · 05-14-07, 10:07 AM

They should patch the manual too:p:rotfl::rotfl:

FIREWALL · 05-15-07, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macky

They should patch the manual too:p:rotfl::rotfl:

Now thats the first time i've seen that posted. I love it :p :rotfl: :rotfl:

Good one macky :p

Anvart · 05-15-07, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruschi sauro

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The only solution he will give you is 1 part water, 4 parts scotch....the 1 part water is optional. The WO does not assist like SH3 and I sure do miss the guy.

I prefear one part of Martini and ten part of Gin, this drink is called Montgomery...:rotfl:

No Gin ... Vodka, Yes!

SteamWake · 05-14-07, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vindex

The manual is silly. No such thing as a WO in SH4.

I kind of miss that option. It was a good "middle of the road" choice between point-and-click and getting out the protractor.

Silly is an interesting choice of words...

DavidH · 05-14-07, 10:58 AM

From another thread not my fix, Identify Target works but if you add that key to Solution to Target it does not work.

Edit the data\cfg\commands.cfg file, to add "Shift + I" to request ship ID:
[Cmd343]
Name=WP_Identify_target
Ctxt=1
MnID=0x3F130002
Str=1073
Key0=0x49,Cs,"SHIFT I"

DavidH

vindex · 05-14-07, 11:49 AM

The manual IS silly. It's like it was written for SH3.5. Lots of features/options it describes don't even exist in the game.

dean_acheson · 05-14-07, 12:24 PM

writing the manual before the horse is like putting the cart in front of the game!

And, besides not starting sentences with and, it is 7 parts London dry gin, 1 part vermouth, a gizzer of lemon juice, and three olives....

capt_frank · 05-14-07, 12:35 PM

and...

...who reads the manual anyway?

we don't need no stinkin' manual!

rduffy34 · 05-14-07, 01:34 PM

There is a Manual?

Bilge_Rat · 05-15-07, 09:11 AM

I knew my reply would get a few responses.

I used to use the WO in SH3, since I was lousy in manual TDC, but it was abit of a cheat since he gives you a perfect solution, sort of like auto TDC, but again it is a personal choice.

I actually find manual TDC easier in SH4, in part because the lack of a working chronometer forced me to learn proper RL techniques, but also because the US TDC as implemented in the game is much more sophisticated and flexible than the SH3 TDC.

In SH3, as soon as you had a solution, you had to fire right away, since the solution is only accurate at that instant. The SH4 U.S. TDC constantly updates the solution so you can wait and still have a good solution, it also allows you to check if your solution is good, something which you cannot do in SH3.

Furthermore, in SH4, you can easily shift the trajectory of individual torpedoes 1 or more degree left or right on the fly to setup a spread. All in all, much more user friendly.

In SH3, I was a lousy shot while in SH4, I'm hitting 80-90% of the time.

05-14-07, 03:34 AM	#1
senorbeef Nub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Is there a way to ask the WO for a solution? In the SH4 manual, listed under realism options, it has Manual Targeting System as you'd expect. But it also has: No Weapons Officer Assistance:When selected, the Weapons Officer will not identify targets or calculate firing solutions for you. You must determine range, speed, and Angle On Bow (AOB) by yourself. (6%) As far as I can see, this option does not actually exist in the game. Back in SH3, I'd play with manual targetting, but if I wanted to double check my solution, or if I had to make a snap solution under pressure, I'd ask my weapons officer. Or when I was learning how to use the TDC manually, I'd make a solution, and then ask the WO for a solution, and see where I went wrong. Has this method of gameplay been removed from the game completely? It seems as though you can only have unrealistic arcadey instant auto-targetting, or extremely difficult completely unassisted targetting. Is the happy in-between that existed in SH3 gone?

05-14-07, 09:25 AM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	The only solution he will give you is 1 part water, 4 parts scotch....the 1 part water is optional. The WO does not assist like SH3 and I sure do miss the guy. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-14-07, 09:33 AM	#4
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Yes, I also liked having the WO. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

05-14-07, 01:34 PM	#14
rduffy34 Watch Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 16 Downloads: 149 Uploads: 0	? There is a Manual?

05-15-07, 09:11 AM	#15
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I knew my reply would get a few responses. I used to use the WO in SH3, since I was lousy in manual TDC, but it was abit of a cheat since he gives you a perfect solution, sort of like auto TDC, but again it is a personal choice. I actually find manual TDC easier in SH4, in part because the lack of a working chronometer forced me to learn proper RL techniques, but also because the US TDC as implemented in the game is much more sophisticated and flexible than the SH3 TDC. In SH3, as soon as you had a solution, you had to fire right away, since the solution is only accurate at that instant. The SH4 U.S. TDC constantly updates the solution so you can wait and still have a good solution, it also allows you to check if your solution is good, something which you cannot do in SH3. Furthermore, in SH4, you can easily shift the trajectory of individual torpedoes 1 or more degree left or right on the fly to setup a spread. All in all, much more user friendly. In SH3, I was a lousy shot while in SH4, I'm hitting 80-90% of the time. Last edited by Bilge_Rat; 05-15-07 at 10:16 AM.

05-14-07, 04:31 AM	#2
vindex Planesman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 192 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	The manual is silly. No such thing as a WO in SH4. I kind of miss that option. It was a good "middle of the road" choice between point-and-click and getting out the protractor.

05-14-07, 10:07 AM	#6
macky Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 129 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They should patch the manual too:p:rotfl::rotfl:

05-14-07, 10:58 AM	#10
DavidH Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 13 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	From another thread not my fix, Identify Target works but if you add that key to Solution to Target it does not work. Edit the data\cfg\commands.cfg file, to add "Shift + I" to request ship ID: [Cmd343] Name=WP_Identify_target Ctxt=1 MnID=0x3F130002 Str=1073 Key0=0x49,Cs,"SHIFT I" DavidH

05-14-07, 11:49 AM	#11
vindex Planesman Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 192 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	The manual IS silly. It's like it was written for SH3.5. Lots of features/options it describes don't even exist in the game.

05-14-07, 12:24 PM	#12
dean_acheson Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Midwest - USA Posts: 1,057 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	writing the manual before the horse is like putting the cart in front of the game! And, besides not starting sentences with and, it is 7 parts London dry gin, 1 part vermouth, a gizzer of lemon juice, and three olives....

05-14-07, 12:35 PM	#13
capt_frank Watch Officer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In the North Carolina Sticks Posts: 335 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	and... ...who reads the manual anyway? we don't need no stinkin' manual!