Should there be duplicate entries in ship ID book with GWX?

XanderF · 05-14-07, 02:37 AM

Well, not quite duplicate. But close. For example, the "Tramp Steamer" has 2 entries. Identical picture, NEARLY identical stats, but a few are slightly off. Rolled back Sh3 Commander, and all mods in use, so...it's gotta be GWX-specific.

Is this intentional? If so...how do you determine which page of the ID book to use for targeting? In some cases of duplicate ships, there are rather important differences such as draft and length.

danlisa · 05-14-07, 03:13 AM

IIRC, I raised this question during Beta Testing & I'll be buggered if I can remember the answer.:rotfl:

Anyway, you can click on the word 'SHIP' in the targeting notepad on the OBS/PERI screen and be taken to the correct entry in the recog manual. (not sure if this works with 100%)

Jimbuna · 05-14-07, 03:16 AM

One set of figures are as set out in the ships folder, the other set are tweaked by the random tonnage feature

IIRC

Edit: Forget that....I misread the post. Is it not down to the Improved Recognition Manual ? :hmm:

bigboywooly · 05-14-07, 03:47 AM

Its because one ship is dark and one ship is lit

JScones · 05-14-07, 05:39 AM

Prior to 1.03 (or was it 1.02?) some different ships were (deliberately) given the same name. This was changed so that, as BBW says, only lit/unlit variations carry the same name. The reason for teh change was that SH3 does not correctly display stats in the Museum if duplicate ship names are given.

Umfuld · 05-14-07, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danlisa

you can click on the word 'SHIP' in the targeting notepad on the OBS/PERI screen and be taken to the correct entry in the recog manual. (not sure if this works with 100%)

:hmm:

Rubini · 05-14-07, 09:56 AM

BBW is right. The duplicated ships on manual is a side effect of the lit ships.

We tried to fix this but seems impossible. So, to have lit ships in game we will always have some duplicated entries on recognition manual.

Rubini.

XanderF · 05-14-07, 04:25 PM

Well, it wouldn't be so bad if they really WERE identical.

The problem is...they are ALMOST identical. Same ship picture, same name...sometimes wildly different tonnage...sometimes very different depth (IIRC., the two tramp steamers were 5.2 meters and 5.9 meters), etc.

In fact, I've seen no cases of identical pages that really WERE "identical". They all differ in some small amount in some trivial detail. Which then brings up the question of...which is accurate?

Rubini · 05-14-07, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderF

Well, it wouldn't be so bad if they really WERE identical.

The problem is...they are ALMOST identical. Same ship picture, same name...sometimes wildly different tonnage...sometimes very different depth (IIRC., the two tramp steamers were 5.2 meters and 5.9 meters), etc.

In fact, I've seen no cases of identical pages that really WERE "identical". They all differ in some small amount in some trivial detail. Which then brings up the question of...which is accurate?

Good point!:hmm:
This really needs a workaround then...

05-14-07, 02:37 AM	#1
XanderF Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 554 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Should there be duplicate entries in ship ID book with GWX? Well, not quite duplicate. But close. For example, the "Tramp Steamer" has 2 entries. Identical picture, NEARLY identical stats, but a few are slightly off. Rolled back Sh3 Commander, and all mods in use, so...it's gotta be GWX-specific. Is this intentional? If so...how do you determine which page of the ID book to use for targeting? In some cases of duplicate ships, there are rather important differences such as draft and length. __________________

05-14-07, 03:13 AM	#2
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	IIRC, I raised this question during Beta Testing & I'll be buggered if I can remember the answer.:rotfl: Anyway, you can click on the word 'SHIP' in the targeting notepad on the OBS/PERI screen and be taken to the correct entry in the recog manual. (not sure if this works with 100%) __________________

05-14-07, 03:16 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	One set of figures are as set out in the ships folder, the other set are tweaked by the random tonnage feature IIRC Edit: Forget that....I misread the post. Is it not down to the Improved Recognition Manual ? :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-14-07, 03:47 AM	#4
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Its because one ship is dark and one ship is lit __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

05-14-07, 05:39 AM	#5
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Prior to 1.03 (or was it 1.02?) some different ships were (deliberately) given the same name. This was changed so that, as BBW says, only lit/unlit variations carry the same name. The reason for teh change was that SH3 does not correctly display stats in the Museum if duplicate ship names are given. Last edited by JScones; 05-14-07 at 06:27 AM.

05-14-07, 09:56 AM	#7
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	BBW is right. The duplicated ships on manual is a side effect of the lit ships. We tried to fix this but seems impossible. So, to have lit ships in game we will always have some duplicated entries on recognition manual. Rubini. __________________ One gamer's must-have mod is another gamer's waste of time. -Sailor Steve

05-14-07, 04:25 PM	#8
XanderF Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 554 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Well, it wouldn't be so bad if they really WERE identical. The problem is...they are ALMOST identical. Same ship picture, same name...sometimes wildly different tonnage...sometimes very different depth (IIRC., the two tramp steamers were 5.2 meters and 5.9 meters), etc. In fact, I've seen no cases of identical pages that really WERE "identical". They all differ in some small amount in some trivial detail. Which then brings up the question of...which is accurate? __________________