Patch 1.3

[pythos]

If we don't get a patch 1.3, and wonder why, all we need to do is look at the flack given to the Devs by most on this and other forums, and let's not forget that wonderful bit of satire called "Das Boot does SH4". If I were some sap that had not only some suit breathing over my neck to make the patches and other stuff for the game, but also got nothing but flack from my so called supporters I'd tell all involved to shove a 1/72 scale Gato up their nether regions, and go to hell.

When the patch came out I mostly saw complaints, and more complaints. I myself got called a fan boy for suggesting for members here to take it easy when complaining. The average poster here seems to have degraded, while the true kaleuns/skippers are out on virtual seas enjoying these games, that though buggy, are awsome in so many respects.

So if we don't get the patch, in my humble opinion we deserve it.

For the devs, I hope you do put out a patch taking care of the outstanding issues this promising sim has.

[FIREWALL]

Just a normal affliction called : Nerdus Impatienceus

[7Enigma]

If we don't get a patch it has nothing to do with this, or any other forum and its members. It only has to do with money and commitment to a finished product.

Trying to pawn off blame away from the developer's and/or distributor's failure to release a stable product is rediculous.

You release a game that has issues only seen on certain hardware/software combinations is completely acceptable and almost impossible to avoid in today's wide range of configurations. These are things like driver issues and accessory incompatibilites.

You release a game that from day one and still today after 2 patches has many broken aspects (radar, chrono, save issues) and you get no sympathy from me and many other gamers. That's just disrespectful.

[subfan1]

Originally Posted by 7Enigma

If we don't get a patch it has nothing to do with this, or any other forum and its members. It only has to do with money and commitment to a finished product.

Trying to pawn off blame away from the developer's and/or distributor's failure to release a stable product is rediculous.

You release a game that has issues only seen on certain hardware/software combinations is completely acceptable and almost impossible to avoid in today's wide range of configurations. These are things like driver issues and accessory incompatibilites.

You release a game that from day one and still today after 2 patches has many broken aspects (radar, chrono, save issues) and you get no sympathy from me and many other gamers. That's just disrespectful.

Agreed, I paid my money (I'm one of the 3000 deluxe versions) I expect the product working if it's not too much trouble.

People have been brainwashed/conditioned by the likes of Microsoft to think it's ok to release incomplete products onto the market and expect the paying public to act as their user acceptance testing! In Microsoft's case they can potentially cost business's money and frustration, luckily this is only a game.

As regards the "certain hardware/software", issue, that's why they provide a recommended system config. Lots of people have the exact requirements but still have the radar etc problems. Lets face it, it's buggy.

Finally the 2 patches and still not fixed comment. This game is not a mindless blast anything that moves shoot em up. It's played by people who appreciate precision and things like hydrophones not working at periscope depth is extreemly annoying. I like to get into position in realtime, so while it takes time to position yourself for a perfect shot, to me it's worth it in the payoff. To get all the information I need for "the perfect shot", I have to make my sub act like a dolphin breeching for air continually going from 14 to 20 feet. With that kind of farcical situation I'm supprised the Japs aren't rolling around on deck laughting at me.

[stuntcow]

I also paid for my Delx Ed. and a collectors Ed. and am able to enjoy it as it is. I am waiting to see the next patch but will not complain the whole time about it. Would like to get what I played for and yet I still have a sim that I am able to play.

[orangenee]

If they do release another patch then yippee, if they don't, well we'll just have to make do, and hope some quality mods can sort some of the more annoying glitches or things not working as they should. I'd much rather they took their time over one patch and tested it properly than keep releasing patches that fix certain things but break others.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Just a normal affliction called : Nerdus Impatienceus

Bump

[Joe S]

While the "true skippers" are out sinking ships.....The rest of "US" me included, is sitting there in front of a windows screen waiting to reload the game after a crash. If I could run a missioin without crashes I would be doing it. I am not complaining about any individual on the DEv team, I assume they are doing their job and doing a good job. I have a complaint about a company who sold me a half finished product and got full price for it. Not only is it only half finished but it many ways it is a step backwards from the state of the art in SHI and SHIII. If I ever get to the point where I can run the program I would like to enjoy as you apparently are. Joe S

[TDK1044]

People's experiences are very varied regarding CTDs with SH4. I've been playing 40 plus hours now with zero crashes to desktop. I guess it's a mix of bugs, mods, settings and compatibility.

[7Enigma]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

People's experiences are very varied regarding CTDs with SH4. I've been playing 40 plus hours now with zero crashes to desktop. I guess it's a mix of bugs, mods, settings and compatibility.

To the dev's credit v1.2 has all but eliminated my frequent CTD's. Just makes me think v1.2 should have been v0.997 (fix my damn radar!)

[sean705]

I can say from experience that this is becoming the norm in the software industry nowadays. I work for a software company, on the dev side of the house and I can't tell you how many companies will force out a piece of software, just to turn a quick buck. Management types seem to think that, as long as you KNOW what bugs the software has, it's ok to release it, with the understanding that the bugs will be fixed at a later date (but ifixing those bugs becomes less and less of a priority after the cash is in their pockets).
As we all know (being paying customers and all) this is not a good practice. And I can tell you, this is a very sore point with 99% of the developers that I have worked with. I've seen countless software releases that have only been allowed to go through two or three rounds of full Q/A testing and then shipped.
So, what I'm saying is, don't necessarily point the finger at the game developers, more often than not, this blame is shouldered by the upper management of the company.

Just my two cents

[rduffy34]

I agree with you 100% It's always about whats wrong and never whats right.

I think that implies about my boss too!

[Sailor Steve]

I agree up to a point. Legitimate complaints are always welcome, especially if that's the only way to point out flaws and attempt to get them fixed. That said, I've been called a few names myself for telling the complainers what I'm about to say here: there are already several good threads on "What I like about SH4", and many people have started many threads to say what was said here.

I want only the best for SH4, but I thought Das Boot Does SH4 was hilarious.

Just trying to be fair to both sides.

[E.Hartmann]

Originally Posted by rduffy34

I agree with you 100% It's always about whats wrong and never whats right.

I think that implies about my boss too!

haha

Ok here is my attempt at a positive post:

1. Game loads fine..no wait had to remove it and add it back several times, do a defrag, then load it again.

2. Game looks awesome! Yep after a bunch of whinning and complaining we got FSAA or something faking it but WOW it looks pretty. Oops wait, why is my crew see thru, the sub outlined in white, jaggies..oh never mind.

3. Game Play is increadiable!!! After 10 torps that merchant still set there and refused to go down. Ok I'll shot it with my gun. Humm? I'm out of bullets and torps.

4. Realism is fantastic. Late 1944 and my torps are all dudes. I thought they fixed that back in '42. Oh well the game is awesome. Oh they aren't dudes they jsut dont run the right depth and speed! oops sorry I should have known better thats a FEATURE not a bug. (Game still looks good!)

5. Down planes. I said lower teh dive planes! We did sir but its a glitch. Pretend they are down.

6. Aircraft sighted! Shoot it down! I can't sir, the bulkhead is in the way and they last time we were in port for a refit, they didn't load ammo! Damn we need to stop complaining more and just play! The game looks great!

7. Target is AoB 90 and range 1200 yrds, or is that meters? I think its yards, not sure now the manual says meters but my dials say yards and the shots actually are actiing like its meters. Anyway, range is out in front of us FIRE! Sir I think the distance is off. What do you mean? THey target height in your scope is different than that of teh actual ship it seems..WHAT?

8. Dive Dive! We are about to be rammed! Its of sir, the DD will ram us and explode. Its a new feature.

9. Damage control patch that hole! What hole sir? That hole in the comming tower. Sir there is no hole there? Then why do I see day light? Its a feature.

10. Sir the conning tower crew is all dead! DEAD!?? What are you saying? Sir they all just laid down and died. Damn!

Ok Sarcasm off...

[USS_shipmaster]

Well done!!!