Buchheim about Petersen's movie

Kaleun Cook · 04-27-07, 12:28 PM

Maybe the german speaking guys are interested in what Buchheim said about Petersen's movie. I just found this: http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~jung...ot/inhalt.html (down, under "Kommentar")
The title of this text is "Die Wahrheit blieb auf Tauchstation" which can be translated as "The truth staid submerged". Maybe I find the time to translate it completely sometime.

Sailor Steve · 04-27-07, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaleun Cook

Maybe I find the time to translate it completely sometime.

I should certainly hope so! I'm going to be crazy if I have to wait very long!

Camaero · 04-27-07, 07:03 PM

I would like to see that translated too.

Kaleun Cook · 04-28-07, 03:51 AM

I'll do my very best but just don't have the time right now. And I'm not sure if I violate any copyright rules by doing so though.

Well in general he's angry about the added scenes (the oil throwing situation in the torpedo room and the banana dance scene), about the not used scene in which the Boot almost sank that spanish merchant (if he wrote the script that would have been the katharsis he says), about the behaviour of the actors - especially his Alter Ego. But he is impressed by the realistic interior the staff built.

What I found impressive was that he already knew - the text is dated 1981 - that from then on this movie was going to be the one example for the uboat war all over the world and almost noone would care what's written in books about it anymore. That's why he wanted it to be authentic and he does consider it authentic regarding the rebuilts and all the technology stuff - but the crew behaviour is all made up. And he thinks about if it's possible at all to transport the reality in such a movie.

P_Funk · 04-28-07, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaleun Cook

And he thinks about if it's possible at all to transport the reality in such a movie.

I wonder if the movie would be a little too boring maybe. They say that it was just weeks of monotony and dull dull mindnumbing nothingness.

Kaleun Cook · 04-28-07, 04:09 AM

Yeah, he mentions that as a major problem, too. The movie has to transport six weeks in sea in maybe two hours of film:

"Was hier inszeniert wird, ist streckenweise nicht Realismus als Kunstform, sondern Imitation einer Wochenschau-Reportage Das alte Problem: genau sein und doch keinen Abklatsch machen. Quasi die "zweite Realität", die wichtigere, die hinter den Dingen, erfassen, das Überflüssige eliminieren und dafür das Sinnbildliche betonen. Sinnbilder machen: Bilder, die Sinn haben."

"What's orchestrated here is in parts not reality as an art form but an imitation of a Wochenschau report. The old problem: be exactly but don't create a poor imitation. To capture the "second reality" quasi, the more important, the one behind the things, eliminate the redundant and underline the allegoric. Create allegories: pictures that make sense."

04-27-07, 12:28 PM	#1
Kaleun Cook Chief Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ger Posts: 313 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Buchheim about Petersen's movie Maybe the german speaking guys are interested in what Buchheim said about Petersen's movie. I just found this: http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~jung...ot/inhalt.html (down, under "Kommentar") The title of this text is "Die Wahrheit blieb auf Tauchstation" which can be translated as "The truth staid submerged". Maybe I find the time to translate it completely sometime.

04-27-07, 07:03 PM	#3
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I would like to see that translated too. __________________

04-28-07, 03:51 AM	#4
Kaleun Cook Chief Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ger Posts: 313 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I'll do my very best but just don't have the time right now. And I'm not sure if I violate any copyright rules by doing so though. Well in general he's angry about the added scenes (the oil throwing situation in the torpedo room and the banana dance scene), about the not used scene in which the Boot almost sank that spanish merchant (if he wrote the script that would have been the katharsis he says), about the behaviour of the actors - especially his Alter Ego. But he is impressed by the realistic interior the staff built. What I found impressive was that he already knew - the text is dated 1981 - that from then on this movie was going to be the one example for the uboat war all over the world and almost noone would care what's written in books about it anymore. That's why he wanted it to be authentic and he does consider it authentic regarding the rebuilts and all the technology stuff - but the crew behaviour is all made up. And he thinks about if it's possible at all to transport the reality in such a movie.

04-28-07, 04:09 AM	#6
Kaleun Cook Chief Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ger Posts: 313 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Yeah, he mentions that as a major problem, too. The movie has to transport six weeks in sea in maybe two hours of film: "Was hier inszeniert wird, ist streckenweise nicht Realismus als Kunstform, sondern Imitation einer Wochenschau-Reportage Das alte Problem: genau sein und doch keinen Abklatsch machen. Quasi die "zweite Realität", die wichtigere, die hinter den Dingen, erfassen, das Überflüssige eliminieren und dafür das Sinnbildliche betonen. Sinnbilder machen: Bilder, die Sinn haben." "What's orchestrated here is in parts not reality as an art form but an imitation of a Wochenschau report. The old problem: be exactly but don't create a poor imitation. To capture the "second reality" quasi, the more important, the one behind the things, eliminate the redundant and underline the allegoric. Create allegories: pictures that make sense."