Unresolved Issues...

Karl-Heinz Jaeger · 04-26-07, 09:39 PM

Disclaimer: Before we go any further, dear reader, I would like to inform you that the sole intention of this post is to complain. Not about Silent Hunter IV:Wolves of the Pacific specifically, but about this section of the forum, it's members and moderators, and the attitudes and opinions herein. So, before you go posting a "Not another one of these threads' type of response and blow the dust off your rolleyes smiley, you have been forewarned. If you feel compelled to complain about my complaining, send me a PM and I shall quite happily entertain any suggestions you may have as to where I might go and jump off of. I would ask that people try to remain courteous to each other, and even though you may not agree with what someone else posts, they have the right to a little respect for their opinions just as much as you do.

Firstly, I have to ask, since when does limiting discussion on a particular topic help solve anything? I refer of course, to the 'Stop F in Moaning !!!!!' thread below that has recently become locked. Is there a feeling that if we are prevented from discussing the issues that topic brought up, that they will all just go away or some other naive notion? Contrary to what some may think, locking a thread and expecting things to magically mend themselves and disappear just isn't going to happen. TDK1044 definitely made the wrong call. This is an unresolved issue if ever I have seen one.

Secondly, there is a serious air of discontent about this place since SH4 has been released. The game is buggy as hell, and in a lot of ways a huge step backward from SHIII, and this is causing huge conflicts between various sections of the community. To be quite honest, it's damnright disgusting to see people engage in pissing contests with each other, each trying to be even more sarcastic and funny than the other. Have you folks forgotten that this is Subsim.com? We don't do this sort of crap here, and if you expect to do this and get away with it, moderator or not, you are very sorely mistaken. This needs to be adressed right here, right now because ornery, decent members of the community don't want to have to read this kind of nonsense.

Thirdly, I think it is highly hypocritical of certain Moderators, namely John Channing and Gizzmoe (both of whom I had the highest respect for up until today) to be seen to allow and support the arguments of someone who tells everyone that he/she is perfectly happy with the game and to blatantly tell us all to "Stop F in Moaning!!!!!". Regardless of whether or not you both have grown tired of people complaining about this game, condemning the badly written threads complaining about the game and not condemning the badly written threads complaining about complaining about the game is rather like the pot calling the kettle black don't you think? You both say constructive criticism is fine and that rudeness is not and yet people are allowed to tell us to "Stop F in Moaning !!!!!" and not only do you not stomp on it, you support it? There was a comment made that you can have any opinion you like on these forums, as long as it's the same as the moderators and in light of how this issue has been handled, can you blame anyone for agreeing with this? It's almost like the things you condemn about one type of posts you ignore in the other, just because you happen to agree with that post. Please try to be consistent!

Lastly, people will complain if they are not satisfied with a product, something we all do. But everyone needs to post consistently, constructively and politely if your voice is to be heard. Post crap and you will most likely be ignored, whatever you are trying to say. My dearest wish is that those who try to out-smartass the other guy in some spur-o-the-moment pissing contest can take their head out of their selfish asses long enough to afford each other a little respect and courtesy, like everyone else tries to.

***Edited for clarity***

Scoochy · 04-26-07, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl-Heinz Jaeger

..........My dearest wish is that everyone can take their head out of their selfish asses long enough to afford each other a little respect and courtesy.................

well...there's some respect and courtesy for ya

Karl-Heinz Jaeger · 04-26-07, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoochy

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Originally Posted by Karl-Heinz Jaeger

..........My dearest wish is that everyone can take their head out of their selfish asses long enough to afford each other a little respect and courtesy.................

well...there's some respect and courtesy for ya

I don't understand.....are you implying that I am not being respectful and courteous because I used the phrase 'head out of their asses'?? If so, you misunderstood. Is it acceptable for people to engage in selfish arguing that amounts to little more than a thinly veiled exchange of sarcastic witticisms? No, of course it isn't and thats all was trying to say.

Scoochy · 04-26-07, 09:59 PM

As an afterthought, posting a reply in this thread was probably a mistake as I do not intend on getting into a thread whining about the whiners.

Back to playing with .dat's and enjoying SH4 for what it is right now.

Karl-Heinz Jaeger · 04-26-07, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoochy

As an afterthought, posting a reply in this thread was probably a mistake as I do not intend on getting into a thread whining about the whiners.

Back to playing with .dat's and enjoying SH4 for what it is right now.

Sorry, Scoochy but labelling me as a 'whiner' just doesn't cut it. If you have something to say, by all means say it but if not then I would ask you to respect my opinion and not apply convenient labels to me just so you don't have to take me seriously. To call my post a whine about whiners is like calling the Statue of Liberty a French chick in a toga. I would prefer if you didn't belittle my efforts to address an issue which quite obviously affects every one of us here in this community. Please be part of the solution, and contribute something positive instead.

Fearless · 04-26-07, 11:22 PM

Point taken Karl. Everyone can express their opinion no matter how it comes out. You'll find if it gets out of hand, it does get stopped one way or another.

Not having a go at ya though, what I don't understand is why you started your thread off with a quote "Disclaimer" unquote. That's the first time I've ever seen that in any thread in any of the forums I belong to :hmm:

Chock · 04-26-07, 11:38 PM

Probably a mistake to get into this, but nevertheless; I think that what Scoochy was pointing out was that your opening post quite clearly labels 'everyone' as having their head up their selfish ass. And if that isn't a sweeping insult, then I don't really know what is.

This is compounded by your later reply which conveniently dropped the word 'everyone' in an attempt to steer away from having posted your previous insult, by claiming that you merely used the phrase 'head out of their asses', rather than the fact that your post aimed that particular comment at everyone.

To then imply that someone used a convenient label, following an opening post that labelled every forum member as selfish and with their head up their ass, is frankly so ridiculous that it beggars belief.

If you are going to try and portray yourself as the voice of reason, throwing an insult at everyone on the forum is not a great way to start.

04-26-07, 09:39 PM	#1
Karl-Heinz Jaeger Planesman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 188 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Unresolved Issues... Disclaimer: Before we go any further, dear reader, I would like to inform you that the sole intention of this post is to complain. Not about Silent Hunter IV:Wolves of the Pacific specifically, but about this section of the forum, it's members and moderators, and the attitudes and opinions herein. So, before you go posting a "Not another one of these threads' type of response and blow the dust off your rolleyes smiley, you have been forewarned. If you feel compelled to complain about my complaining, send me a PM and I shall quite happily entertain any suggestions you may have as to where I might go and jump off of. I would ask that people try to remain courteous to each other, and even though you may not agree with what someone else posts, they have the right to a little respect for their opinions just as much as you do. Firstly, I have to ask, since when does limiting discussion on a particular topic help solve anything? I refer of course, to the 'Stop F in Moaning !!!!!' thread below that has recently become locked. Is there a feeling that if we are prevented from discussing the issues that topic brought up, that they will all just go away or some other naive notion? Contrary to what some may think, locking a thread and expecting things to magically mend themselves and disappear just isn't going to happen. TDK1044 definitely made the wrong call. This is an unresolved issue if ever I have seen one. Secondly, there is a serious air of discontent about this place since SH4 has been released. The game is buggy as hell, and in a lot of ways a huge step backward from SHIII, and this is causing huge conflicts between various sections of the community. To be quite honest, it's damnright disgusting to see people engage in pissing contests with each other, each trying to be even more sarcastic and funny than the other. Have you folks forgotten that this is Subsim.com? We don't do this sort of crap here, and if you expect to do this and get away with it, moderator or not, you are very sorely mistaken. This needs to be adressed right here, right now because ornery, decent members of the community don't want to have to read this kind of nonsense. Thirdly, I think it is highly hypocritical of certain Moderators, namely John Channing and Gizzmoe (both of whom I had the highest respect for up until today) to be seen to allow and support the arguments of someone who tells everyone that he/she is perfectly happy with the game and to blatantly tell us all to "Stop F in Moaning!!!!!". Regardless of whether or not you both have grown tired of people complaining about this game, condemning the badly written threads complaining about the game and not condemning the badly written threads complaining about complaining about the game is rather like the pot calling the kettle black don't you think? You both say constructive criticism is fine and that rudeness is not and yet people are allowed to tell us to "Stop F in Moaning !!!!!" and not only do you not stomp on it, you support it? There was a comment made that you can have any opinion you like on these forums, as long as it's the same as the moderators and in light of how this issue has been handled, can you blame anyone for agreeing with this? It's almost like the things you condemn about one type of posts you ignore in the other, just because you happen to agree with that post. Please try to be consistent! Lastly, people will complain if they are not satisfied with a product, something we all do. But everyone needs to post consistently, constructively and politely if your voice is to be heard. Post crap and you will most likely be ignored, whatever you are trying to say. My dearest wish is that those who try to out-smartass the other guy in some spur-o-the-moment pissing contest can take their head out of their selfish asses long enough to afford each other a little respect and courtesy, like everyone else tries to. *Edited for clarity* __________________ Clear Skies and Good Hunting!! Regards, Kptn.Lt. Karl-Heinz Jaeger SHIII Commander Henry Hunter SHIV Last edited by Karl-Heinz Jaeger; 04-27-07 at 12:07 AM.

04-26-07, 09:59 PM	#4
Scoochy Sparky Join Date: May 2005 Location: San diego Ca. Posts: 150 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	As an afterthought, posting a reply in this thread was probably a mistake as I do not intend on getting into a thread whining about the whiners. Back to playing with .dat's and enjoying SH4 for what it is right now. __________________ SH5 Photobucket Slideshow

04-26-07, 11:22 PM	#6
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Point taken Karl. Everyone can express their opinion no matter how it comes out. You'll find if it gets out of hand, it does get stopped one way or another. Not having a go at ya though, what I don't understand is why you started your thread off with a quote "Disclaimer" unquote. That's the first time I've ever seen that in any thread in any of the forums I belong to :hmm:

04-26-07, 11:38 PM	#7
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Probably a mistake to get into this, but nevertheless; I think that what Scoochy was pointing out was that your opening post quite clearly labels 'everyone' as having their head up their selfish ass. And if that isn't a sweeping insult, then I don't really know what is. This is compounded by your later reply which conveniently dropped the word 'everyone' in an attempt to steer away from having posted your previous insult, by claiming that you merely used the phrase 'head out of their asses', rather than the fact that your post aimed that particular comment at everyone. To then imply that someone used a convenient label, following an opening post that labelled every forum member as selfish and with their head up their ass, is frankly so ridiculous that it beggars belief. If you are going to try and portray yourself as the voice of reason, throwing an insult at everyone on the forum is not a great way to start.