So whats wrong with escorts? They cant find me not matter what

crazypete · 04-17-07, 08:50 AM

I can be blazing along at full speed ahead in the middle of a convoy at periscope depth in broad daylight in calm seas with the scope all the way up, loading torpedoes and they simply dont hear me! The entire time I have been playing, I've only been sunk twice by escorts. Many times by aircraft and every time I go for a surface duel with a DD but once I dive, if they dont nab me on the first fullspeed pass, I'm gone.

What gives?

Do I need to sit back with this game and wait for the first user realism pack?

AVGWarhawk · 04-17-07, 08:58 AM

I run into a large array of DD and reaction of the DD. Some DD find me like I have my lights on waving white flags screaming at them with a loud speaker. Sometimes, like last night, they are next to me, looking at me in full regalia but motor on by like I was a fishing boat. I seem to be getting a mixed bag of DD reaction. I can not put my finger on it but it is certainly odd. Wait for 1.2 patch to get on the modders hard drive. I'm sure someone will beef up the DD.

Fat Bhoy Tim · 04-17-07, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I run into a large array of DD and reaction of the DD. Some DD find me like I have my lights on waving white flags screaming at them with a loud speaker. Sometimes, like last night, they are next to me, looking at me in full regalia but motor on by like I was a fishing boat. I seem to be getting a mixed bag of DD reaction. I can not put my finger on it but it is certainly odd. Wait for 1.2 patch to get on the modders hard drive. I'm sure someone will beef up the DD.

I can be running at 2knts on silent running, and they seem to home in on me like bees returning to the nest.

AVGWarhawk · 04-17-07, 09:11 AM

Like I said, FBT, it is a mixed bag. Sometimes they are just killers and other times it is like a cruise ship in the Bahamas

crazypete · 04-17-07, 09:14 AM

and while we are on the subject of inconsistency...

I put 5...5!!....fish into a medium composite and it just kept on bobbling low in the water. I shot it front, back , underneath, at the waterline, in the stern. Then the game crashed so I didnt even get to ultimately sink it. It must have had a cargo of cork!

Meanwhile....

I put 1 fish into a modern euro superiner and it sank like a rock

AVGWarhawk · 04-17-07, 09:17 AM

No doubt there are some inconsistancies but 99% of the time, my experience with the inconsistancies have been very rare. My targets go down and the DD 99% of the time are aggressive. I got my first 1% stupid DD last night. I have had only one merchant with five tin fish hits that would not go down. I had to finish it off with the cannon.

Bill Nichols · 04-17-07, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crazypete

I can be blazing along at full speed ahead in the middle of a convoy at periscope depth in broad daylight in calm seas with the scope all the way up, loading torpedoes and they simply dont hear me! The entire time I have been playing, I've only been sunk twice by escorts. Many times by aircraft and every time I go for a surface duel with a DD but once I dive, if they dont nab me on the first fullspeed pass, I'm gone.

What gives?

Do I need to sit back with this game and wait for the first user realism pack?

My experience (little tho it is): Inside the convoy I'm pretty safe, but as soon as I go outside of it, the DDs are on me like fleas on a dog.

AVGWarhawk · 04-17-07, 12:15 PM

From my experience with exception of the 'Love Boat' coming by me last night and did not take notice, the DD are not bad. I think we just might be used to the GWX hounds as compared to the hounds of SH4 sniffing you out.

TheSatyr · 04-17-07, 03:58 PM

Seems realistic enough to me. In R/L most Japanese escort captains took their jobs seriously but a few seemed to have an "It's somebody elses problem" mentality about it.

You do read about the more laickadasical escort commanders in some of the sub books. Those "How did that DD/DE NOT see me?" moments.

crazypete · 04-18-07, 06:34 AM

Me and my big mouth!

I ran across the carrier battle group from hell last night. So I get the surface ship spotted message and go up to have a look to find in horror that there are 3 destroyers about 2000 m off the starboard bow. I hit dive then do some deckgun action waiting for the sub to go down and get a lucky shot and it breaks the middle DD in half (my first halfie!!). I save....cause why not.

Then it seems the other 2 cant see me. more disappointment.

Well, it seems these 3 were the vanguard to a carrier battle group. From that point on, no matter how I tried to escape (and the CBG was BVR mind you), an aircraft would always spot me then 3 DD's would show up from over the horizon and smoke me. These guys had sonar and used it vigourously, they dropped depth charges, they took turns. They ran a train on me.

REAL AI! Carrier airpower! Airdropped depth charges! The beauty of it all! Bravo! Bravo! I feel like I'm actually in the war now!

Faamecanic · 04-18-07, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by crazypete

Me and my big mouth!

I ran across the carrier battle group from hell last night. So I get the surface ship spotted message and go up to have a look to find in horror that there are 3 destroyers about 2000 m off the starboard bow. I hit dive then do some deckgun action waiting for the sub to go down and get a lucky shot and it breaks the middle DD in half (my first halfie!!). I save....cause why not.

Then it seems the other 2 cant see me. more disappointment.

Well, it seems these 3 were the vanguard to a carrier battle group. From that point on, no matter how I tried to escape (and the CBG was BVR mind you), an aircraft would always spot me then 3 DD's would show up from over the horizon and smoke me. These guys had sonar and used it vigourously, they dropped depth charges, they took turns. They ran a train on me.

REAL AI! Carrier airpower! Airdropped depth charges! The beauty of it all! Bravo! Bravo! I feel like I'm actually in the war now!

I have noticed most Convoy Escorts are VERY poor if they even try and search at all. Most of the time they STOP with the convoy (or slow down to 2 kts). Only a FEW times (like 3 or so) have they ever come after me.

Now escorts with BATTLE groups.... they are DEADLY! Almost always find me and nuke me out of the water.

04-17-07, 08:50 AM	#1
crazypete Bosun Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	So whats wrong with escorts? They cant find me not matter what I can be blazing along at full speed ahead in the middle of a convoy at periscope depth in broad daylight in calm seas with the scope all the way up, loading torpedoes and they simply dont hear me! The entire time I have been playing, I've only been sunk twice by escorts. Many times by aircraft and every time I go for a surface duel with a DD but once I dive, if they dont nab me on the first fullspeed pass, I'm gone. What gives? Do I need to sit back with this game and wait for the first user realism pack?

04-17-07, 08:58 AM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,274 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I run into a large array of DD and reaction of the DD. Some DD find me like I have my lights on waving white flags screaming at them with a loud speaker. Sometimes, like last night, they are next to me, looking at me in full regalia but motor on by like I was a fishing boat. I seem to be getting a mixed bag of DD reaction. I can not put my finger on it but it is certainly odd. Wait for 1.2 patch to get on the modders hard drive. I'm sure someone will beef up the DD. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-17-07, 09:11 AM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,274 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Like I said, FBT, it is a mixed bag. Sometimes they are just killers and other times it is like a cruise ship in the Bahamas __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-17-07, 09:17 AM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,274 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	No doubt there are some inconsistancies but 99% of the time, my experience with the inconsistancies have been very rare. My targets go down and the DD 99% of the time are aggressive. I got my first 1% stupid DD last night. I have had only one merchant with five tin fish hits that would not go down. I had to finish it off with the cannon. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-17-07, 12:15 PM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,274 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	From my experience with exception of the 'Love Boat' coming by me last night and did not take notice, the DD are not bad. I think we just might be used to the GWX hounds as compared to the hounds of SH4 sniffing you out. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-17-07, 09:14 AM	#5
crazypete Bosun Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	and while we are on the subject of inconsistency... I put 5...5!!....fish into a medium composite and it just kept on bobbling low in the water. I shot it front, back , underneath, at the waterline, in the stern. Then the game crashed so I didnt even get to ultimately sink it. It must have had a cargo of cork! Meanwhile.... I put 1 fish into a modern euro superiner and it sank like a rock

04-17-07, 03:58 PM	#9
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Seems realistic enough to me. In R/L most Japanese escort captains took their jobs seriously but a few seemed to have an "It's somebody elses problem" mentality about it. You do read about the more laickadasical escort commanders in some of the sub books. Those "How did that DD/DE NOT see me?" moments.

04-18-07, 06:34 AM	#10
crazypete Bosun Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Me and my big mouth! I ran across the carrier battle group from hell last night. So I get the surface ship spotted message and go up to have a look to find in horror that there are 3 destroyers about 2000 m off the starboard bow. I hit dive then do some deckgun action waiting for the sub to go down and get a lucky shot and it breaks the middle DD in half (my first halfie!!). I save....cause why not. Then it seems the other 2 cant see me. more disappointment. Well, it seems these 3 were the vanguard to a carrier battle group. From that point on, no matter how I tried to escape (and the CBG was BVR mind you), an aircraft would always spot me then 3 DD's would show up from over the horizon and smoke me. These guys had sonar and used it vigourously, they dropped depth charges, they took turns. They ran a train on me. REAL AI! Carrier airpower! Airdropped depth charges! The beauty of it all! Bravo! Bravo! I feel like I'm actually in the war now!