Is this a hold up?

04-14-07, 07:05 PM

With all due respect . I ask the question because I have recently been reminded of the fact that I've been placed in the brig twice and that my next quote/unquote transgression will lead to a total ban. Is it about the money? Will Neal call his dogs off if I donate to Subsim.com?

Based on the link I will become a lifetime member if I pay up. Does that mean I cannot be banned? Do people who have paid get special immunity to the moderators? Is this the dirty little secret that Subsim is hiding?

Donate and become a lifetime member of the Subsim Community!

http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms/donation.htm

Gildor · 04-14-07, 07:15 PM

Just learn from your mistakes--whatever the heck they were--and don't repeat them.

Problem solved.

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CCIP · 04-14-07, 07:27 PM

You never learn, do you?

I think it's safe to say that "Neal and his dogs" have a friendly climate in the community in mind before other considerations. It's sort of like paying a lifetime membership fees to a golf club, and then use it to drive golf balls at other members. It doesn't excuse bad behaviour. A lifetime membership in a club, so far as I am concerned, is conditional to the rules of the club.

Rather than pointing out ironies in subsim donation drive pages, I'd suggest you read the rules again and read up on what constitutes personal attack:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_personal_attacks

kiwi_2005 · 04-14-07, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

With all due respect . I ask the question because I have recently been reminded of the fact that I've been placed in the brig twice and that my next quote/unquote transgression will lead to a total ban. Is it about the money? Will Neal call his dogs off if I donate to Subsim.com?

Based on the link I will become a lifetime member if I pay up. Does that mean I cannot be banned? Do people who have paid get special immunity to the moderators? Is this the dirty little secret that Subsim is hiding?

Donate and become a lifetime member of the Subsim Community!

http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms/donation.htm

Well i haven't donated to subsim & i never had warnings so no its not because you haven't donated, Neals not that kinda admin otherwise i would of been long gone

Well i did once buy a cd with mods for SH2 of Subsim years ago. Oh yeah i did get a telling off from Gizzmoe awhile back over a bad link that actually went against copyrights. Maybe go back and look at your posts the warnings are over... Anyways im aiming to donate soon gonna buy the subsim book.

No offensive mate.

Onkel Neal · 04-14-07, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

With all due respect . I ask the question because I have recently been reminded of the fact that I've been placed in the brig twice and that my next quote/unquote transgression will lead to a total ban. Is it about the money? Will Neal call his dogs off if I donate to Subsim.com?

Based on the link I will become a lifetime member if I pay up. Does that mean I cannot be banned? Do people who have paid get special immunity to the moderators? Is this the dirty little secret that Subsim is hiding?

Donate and become a lifetime member of the Subsim Community!

http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms/donation.htm

No, donations are to support the website, just like civil and friendly posts.

04-14-07, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate

With all due respect . I ask the question because I have recently been reminded of the fact that I've been placed in the brig twice and that my next quote/unquote transgression will lead to a total ban. Is it about the money? Will Neal call his dogs off if I donate to Subsim.com?

Based on the link I will become a lifetime member if I pay up. Does that mean I cannot be banned? Do people who have paid get special immunity to the moderators? Is this the dirty little secret that Subsim is hiding?

Donate and become a lifetime member of the Subsim Community!

http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms/donation.htm

No, donations are to support the website, just like civil and friendly posts.

Thank you for your reply Neal. Yours is the only response that holds weight.

I'll be contacting you shortly via PM. Nothing bad. Just a question which I sent to one of your moderators and I was hoping to get a quicker reply from you.

Thanx
waste gate

Kapitan_Phillips · 04-14-07, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

Thank you for your reply Neal. Yours is the only response that holds weight.

So why post a new thread about it? Why didnt you just PM Neal in the first place?

04-14-07, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate

Thank you for your reply Neal. Yours is the only response that holds weight.

So why post a new thread about it? Why didnt you just PM Neal in the first place?

It isn't a new thread. A response to this thread. Lest it is lost on you. It is common curtesy.

BTW this is the this is why I'm in the doo-doo. People who don't know the difference btwn a thread and a response to one. Why do I need to lay back when others don't? I think P-Funk asked the same question recently. When you attack my judgement, opinions, or beliefs I think I have every right to respond in kind.

Kapitan_Phillips · 04-14-07, 08:22 PM

And you're missing my point. I'm saying why even bother posting on the main forum when you only value Neals' response?

CCIP · 04-14-07, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

BTW this is the this is why I'm in the doo-doo. People who don't know the difference btwn a thread and a response to one. Why do I need to lay back when others don't? I think P-Funk asked the same question recently. When you attack my judgement, opinions, or beliefs I think I have every right to respond in kind.

No, the reason you're having problems is - as the link I gave above to the definition of personal attack suggests - you attacked the people who attacked your opinion. There is a very definite difference between these, and like most good forums, there is a very good reason why Subsim disciplines severely for personal attack.

Onkel Neal · 04-14-07, 08:13 PM

I temporarily switched off my PM a week ago, I was getting 30~50 PMs a day, mainly due to SH4 questions that need to be asked in the forums (so they can be answered by more than one person and read by everyone). I can tell you the solution here, it applies to you, me, and everyone. The Subsim forums are for friendly discussions. We do have debates and sometimes it gets heated but we all have to practice a little restraint and not beat each other up over a difference in opinion, or try to convert each other. What the moderators are watching out for are people who come here with the intention of setting the world straight. There are other forums for that.

"My 80% ally is not my 20% enemy" a great man once said.

04-14-07, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I temporarily switched off my PM a week ago, I was getting 30~50 PMs a day, mainly due to SH4 questions that need to be asked in the forums (so they can be answered by more than one person and read by everyone). I can tell you the solution here, it applies to you, me, and everyone. The Subsim forums are for friendly discussions. We do have debates and sometimes it gets heated but we all have to practice a little restraint and not beat each other up over a difference in opinion, or try to convert each other. What the moderators are watching out for are people who come here with the intention of setting the world straight. There are other forums for that.

"My 80% ally is not my 20% enemy" a great man once said.

I understand your wanting to be free of the BS for awhile. I sent an e-mail. Look for it if you will.

Thank you again
waste gate

fatty · 04-14-07, 07:48 PM

I surmise that the lifetime member bit is a touch of humour. Or possibly it suggests that by donating you are immortalized in the memory of subsimmers everywhere for your contribution to keep our glorious community rolling!

"Outstanding donation, sailor!"

Kapitan_Phillips · 04-14-07, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty

I surmise that the lifetime member bit is a touch of humour. Or possibly it suggests that by donating you are immortalized in the memory of subsimmers everywhere for your contribution to keep our glorious community rolling!

"Outstanding donation, sailor!"

I hope so, cause I just made my second donation

fatty · 04-14-07, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

I hope so, cause I just made my second donation

Then those salutes are for you, my boy. God bless you

04-14-07, 07:05 PM	#1
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Is this a hold up? With all due respect . I ask the question because I have recently been reminded of the fact that I've been placed in the brig twice and that my next quote/unquote transgression will lead to a total ban. Is it about the money? Will Neal call his dogs off if I donate to Subsim.com? Based on the link I will become a lifetime member if I pay up. Does that mean I cannot be banned? Do people who have paid get special immunity to the moderators? Is this the dirty little secret that Subsim is hiding? *Donate and become a lifetime member of the Subsim Community!* http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms/donation.htm

04-14-07, 07:15 PM	#2
Gildor Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 251 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Just learn from your mistakes--whatever the heck they were--and don't repeat them. Problem solved. --- __________________ U-46: Oct 1943 off Portugal

04-14-07, 07:27 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	You never learn, do you? I think it's safe to say that "Neal and his dogs" have a friendly climate in the community in mind before other considerations. It's sort of like paying a lifetime membership fees to a golf club, and then use it to drive golf balls at other members. It doesn't excuse bad behaviour. A lifetime membership in a club, so far as I am concerned, is conditional to the rules of the club. Rather than pointing out ironies in subsim donation drive pages, I'd suggest you read the rules again and read up on what constitutes personal attack: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_personal_attacks __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-14-07, 08:22 PM	#9
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	And you're missing my point. I'm saying why even bother posting on the main forum when you only value Neals' response? __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

04-14-07, 08:13 PM	#11
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I temporarily switched off my PM a week ago, I was getting 30~50 PMs a day, mainly due to SH4 questions that need to be asked in the forums (so they can be answered by more than one person and read by everyone). I can tell you the solution here, it applies to you, me, and everyone. The Subsim forums are for friendly discussions. We do have debates and sometimes it gets heated but we all have to practice a little restraint and not beat each other up over a difference in opinion, or try to convert each other. What the moderators are watching out for are people who come here with the intention of setting the world straight. There are other forums for that. "My 80% ally is not my 20% enemy" a great man once said.

04-14-07, 07:48 PM	#13
fatty The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,448 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I surmise that the lifetime member bit is a touch of humour. Or possibly it suggests that by donating you are immortalized in the memory of subsimmers everywhere for your contribution to keep our glorious community rolling! "Outstanding donation, sailor!"