Retired After 3 Missions In Gato, Feb. 1942?

[ElAurens]

Excuse me?

Return to Pearl after my 3rd mission commanding USS Drum. Sunk 35,000+ tons and delivered troops to the Phillipines. Got a medal for the mission, then it says the Navy is retiring my boat class and me!!!! It was only 3 missions into her career.

I think I'm shelving SH4 untill they get this nonsense fixed. Not worth playing if careers are cut short for no reason at all.

I refuse to be an unpaid member of the development team.

Call me when it's ready to play.

[mookiemookie]

Skippers didn't go on 10-15 patrols like their U-boat counterparts. Don't know why they said they were retiring the Gato class( :hmm, but don't throw a tantrum just because you got retired out after 3 patrols. In the Pacific, that was pretty much par for the course

[ElAurens]

Somehow I doubt that good skippers were retired after 3 patrols.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Somehow I doubt that good skippers were retired after 3 patrols.

Slade Cutter, USS Seahorse: 4 patrols, 72,000 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Gordon Underwood, USS Spadefish: 3 patrols, 75,386 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Henry Bruton, USS Greenling: 4 patrols, 54,564 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Robert Dornin, USS Trigger: 3 patrols, 54,595 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Malcom Garrison, USS Sandlance, 4 patrols, 37,368 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
John Moore, USS Grayback: 3 patrols, 45,757 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Eli Reich, USS Sealion II: 3 patrols, 59,839 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Williard Laughon, USS Rasher: 3 patrols, 38,340 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Enrique Haskins, USS Guitarro: 3 patrols, 25,400 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Bernard Clarey, USS Pintado: 4 patrols, 42,956 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Thomas Dykers, USS Jack: 4 patrols, 42,417 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Lowell Stone, USS Lapon: 4 patrols, 39,100 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Donald Weiss, USS Tinosa: 3 patrols, 39,047 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Charles Kirkpatrick, USS Triton: 3 patrols, 22,749 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Frank Selby, USS Puffer: 4 patrols, 38,159 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
George Grider, USS Flasher: 2 patrols, 43,718 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Thomas Hogan, USS Bonefish: 4 patrols: 34,329 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Louis McGregor, USS Pike & USS Redfish: 4 patrols, 44,637 JANAC confirmed tons sunk

See my point?

[malkuth74]

No, the excuse of its what happened in real life is kinda silly. Its a game not real life.

But to OP I'm on my 6th patrol in my gato if that helps.

[Seadogs]

Patrols were short but I agree with the OP here. Alot of people are reporting getting retired after thier first patrol after earning the Gato.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

No, the excuse of its what happened in real life is kinda silly. Its a game not real life.

But to OP I'm on my 6th patrol in my gato if that helps.

I thought it was a simulation? </rivetcounter> :rotfl:

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

No, the excuse of its what happened in real life is kinda silly. Its a game not real life.

This is still my favorite post of this thread. And this is the reasoning behind why I want my Gato to have lasers and nuclear torpedoes.

Realism is why we play simulation games. The "excuse" () of it's that way in real life is the AIM of a SIMULATION game. i.e. you're SIMULATING a REAL LIFE situation. At least that's why I play. I think the interpretation of reality is measured by the end results you get out of playing the game. If you set up certain rules and a gameplay system and end up being retired out after a successful 3 or 4 patrols, then you've mirrored real life results and have probably done a good job interpreting the reality of being a Pacific Sub Fleet skipper.

[Whammo11224]

I see your point. I think the point from the GAMER'S perspective is they want to play the game until the end of the war, if they choose. That should be an option in the game menu.

This way you don't have to keep starting over with a new crew without any of the technical advancements that come later in the war.

Thanks

[Seadogs]

And to add, the only time you see people here complaining the Gato is the common factor.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Whammo11224

I see your point. I think the point from the GAMER'S perspective is they want to play the game until the end of the war, if they choose. That should be an option in the game menu.

This way you don't have to keep starting over with a new crew without any of the technical advancements that come later in the war.

Thanks

Agreed. Even SH3 Commander had the OPTION of "simulating a real career length"....I was just arguing the point that good skippers did get retired or promoted after 3-5 patrols. From a playability standpoint...yeah, that should be an option. But then there's hardcore realism geeks like me...you know.

[Tigrone]

Where did you find this list of skippers and their patrols Mookiemookie?

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Slade Cutter, USS Seahorse: 4 patrols, 72,000 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Gordon Underwood, USS Spadefish: 3 patrols, 75,386 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Henry Bruton, USS Greenling: 4 patrols, 54,564 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
....

[Ducimus]

Here im guessing:
http://www.fleetsubmarine.com/sublist.html

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Tigrone

Where did you find this list of skippers and their patrols Mookiemookie?

The appendix of Silent Victory. Great book, I might add.

[Tigrone]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

It was only 3 missions....

I disagree with shelving the game. There is a lot fun and value to be had here.

I do agree that the early ends amount effectively to a bug. That is: they really interfere with game play and with the enjoyment of the game. Also, it is not realistic. Competent skippers usually averaged 6 to 8 patrols in a boat. A good skipper, who started early in the war, could easily have twice that many, and some did.

I strongly urge the developers to modify the career code to allow a player to have a total career of perhaps 18 patrols between the first day and the last day of the war. That could be easily split in 2 or 3 tours (boats) of 9 to 6 each. This would really add to the attractiveness of career play.