So who is actually *HAPPY* to have a Pacific subsim?

[Yak]

With all the bitchin' and moaning about what is and isn't in the game, who is actually happy to have a subsim in the PTO?
I know I damn well am, there''s a massive shortage of PTO games of any quality in sims, besides a few arcade ones we've only got the half baked pacific fighters expansion and SH4.

Not to sound like a Mickey Dee's advert, but i'm lovin' it!

[CruiseTorpedo]

I'm happy !! Just hoping the guys who made the subs in real life dont come after ubi like they did with pacific fighters and shut em down. Although I can't think of anything huge that's missing from the sounds of it! If you can't tell I dont have it yet, called my local eb games and they told me SH4 is not being made anymore LOL Guess I'll just order online.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by CruiseTorpedo

I'm happy !! Just hoping the guys who made the subs in real life dont come after ubi like they did with pacific fighters and shut em down. Although I can't think of anything huge that's missing from the sounds of it! If you can't tell I dont have it yet, called my local eb games and they told me SH4 is not being made anymore LOL Guess I'll just order online.

Shut them down ? Sorry I dont know the story could you please elaborate ?

[Donner]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Shut them down ? Sorry I dont know the story could you please elaborate ?

IIRC, Northrop-Grumman demanded an excessive amount of royalties from Ubi and Maddox Games if they included anything Grumman or any other company in their conglomeration. This essentially shut down any additions of US aircraft in patches and updates.

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally Posted by Donner

IIRC, Northrop-Grumman demanded an excessive amount of royalties from Ubi and Maddox Games if they included anything Grumman or any other company in their conglomeration. This essentially shut down any additions of US aircraft in patches and updates.

Yes - UBI/Maddox made a big mistake by using phrasing like:
"Grumman TBF Avenger" instead of "TBF Avenger" - and then they didn't ask permission on top of that. So...the lawyers at NG got into a huff and ensured that add-on patches did not include any additional US models. What went missing you ask? How about a dynamite looking Devestator and a very cool model of the USS Yorktown. A real pity that UBI was so foolish and NG was so greedy.

[Immacolata]

Originally Posted by Donner

IIRC, Northrop-Grumman demanded an excessive amount of royalties from Ubi and Maddox Games if they included anything Grumman or any other company in their conglomeration. This essentially shut down any additions of US aircraft in patches and updates.

You can actually demand royalties for simulating a 60 year old aircraft?

[WilhelmSchulz.]

I! My Uncle served in the silent service(Nuke) and so I feel a conection with US subs.

[Lannes]

The old Silent Service II hooked me way back when, and to quote CSN&Y, "It's been a long time coming..."

[Grothesj2]

I'll be happy to be back in the Pacific whenever my pre-order decides to show up and if my computer dont choke on it.

[malkuth74]

Originally Posted by CruiseTorpedo

I'm happy !! Just hoping the guys who made the subs in real life dont come after ubi like they did with pacific fighters and shut em down. Although I can't think of anything huge that's missing from the sounds of it! If you can't tell I dont have it yet, called my local eb games and they told me SH4 is not being made anymore LOL Guess I'll just order online.

Not going to happen. Subs are made by US ShipPorts that are bought and paid for with US tax dollars.

Planes are a different story. Companies Build the planes and hope and prey the Military buys the contracts.

[John Channing]

Back on topic.


ME!



JCC

[CCIP]

What can I say...

Back in the Pac for a good attack

I love the Pacific theatre and am quite happy to be in it again. I think it's even more suited to my own tastes, though I'm not abandoning my U-boats either.

This is gonna be a lot of fun. Hopefully all the more fun once we get some mods and patches to balance it out more nicely...

[Cap'n Blake]

Pacific is very welcome indeed. Haven't been there since Silent Service II. I still have the manual and I've re-read it while waiting for SHIV to arrive. Still a great read as all Microprose manuals. Those were the days...

[ijozic]

Originally Posted by malkuth74

Not going to happen. Subs are made by US ShipPorts that are bought and paid for with US tax dollars.

Planes are a different story. Companies Build the planes and hope and prey the Military buys the contracts.

I don't see how the planes are different. The manufacturer has its own designation for an airplane, but when it's called e.g. P-51, it's the Air Force designation and it's fully payed for with US tax dollars.

There is a similar stir in modelling community where some companies want royalties for their airplanes and there was a try to organize people to call their congresmen to support a bill which would prevent manufacturers to ask for royalties for military designated aircraft which are paid for by tax dollars already. Not sure about the outcome, though..

[Yak]

Originally Posted by ijozic

I don't see how the planes are different. The manufacturer has its own designation for an airplane, but when it's called e.g. P-51, it's the Air Force designation and it's fully payed for with US tax dollars.

There is a similar stir in modelling community where some companies want royalties for their airplanes and there was a try to organize people to call their congresmen to support a bill which would prevent manufacturers to ask for royalties for military designated aircraft which are paid for by tax dollars already. Not sure about the outcome, though..

Theres the crux, you can use TBF Avenger all you like, thats the USN desegnation, but the second you call it the Grumman TBF Avenger, you're using corporate property and intellectual property, like you couldn't make a commercial emulator called Atari as a modern emulator and market it without their permission.