Who in the US is an organ doner here?

SUBMAN1 · 03-19-07, 10:20 AM

I am not, as you may guess, which is why I started the thread. Why? Because I think the program is messed up in my opinion. 2 Major problems:

1. They charge you as the dead person the cost for the proceedure to remove your organs. This is not a big deal or anything if you just died, but it becomes a big deal for your family who must now pay your bill because you were being kind enough to donate in the first place!!!

2. Because of what I already suspected - they do not take your organs when you are pronouced dead - ie brain dead. They go into you simply if your heart stops which makes sure you are dead - and I am sure less life saving measure are implemented on organ doners!!! According to a hospital, you are not dead until your brain dies since at that point, there is basically no chance of revival. However, if you are an organ doner, they do not bother to wait till you are clinically dead before they cut into you and take your organs. If you were not dead before, I guess you can for sure say that you are dead after they take your heart!!

-S

Read this if you don't believe me - http://www.playfuls.com/news_005593_...Harvested.html

August · 03-19-07, 10:35 AM

Not to forget that viable organs are worth big money. A donors family ought to be getting some of that instead of having to pay.

SUBMAN1 · 03-19-07, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Not to forget that viable organs are worth big money. A donors family ought to be getting some of that instead of having to pay.

A novel concept. The families should sue the hospital for the cost of the organ - do bad it says 'donation' on the drivers license though.

-S

PS. One more thing that I don't like is the conflict of interest - the people who are pronoucing you dead are the very same people that want the organ. That is like asking a real estate agent about where the housing market is going. A very dumb idea.

danlisa · 03-19-07, 11:02 AM

I do not like the facts that you have stated in regards to the US Donor system although for many I can see it will not be a problem.

Is Organ Donations in the US voluntary?

At the moment in the UK there is a petition that every UK resident should be a doner unless they 'Opt Out'. This I do not like.

As for the specifics of 'How you are pronounced dead' etc, I'm not sure where the UK stands on this. Although, you are only pronounced dead after verification by 2 specialists who are independant to the transplant team.

The Avon Lady · 03-19-07, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

As for the specifics of 'How you are pronounced dead' etc, I'm not sure where the UK stands on this. Although, you are only pronounced dead after verification by 2 specialists who are independant to the transplant team.

I wouldn't trust 'em.

SUBMAN1 · 03-19-07, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

I do not like the facts that you have stated in regards to the US Donor system although for many I can see it will not be a problem.

Is Organ Donations in the US voluntary?

At the moment in the UK there is a petition that every UK resident should be a doner unless they 'Opt Out'. This I do not like.

As for the specifics of 'How you are pronounced dead' etc, I'm not sure where the UK stands on this. Although, you are only pronounced dead after verification by 2 specialists who are independant to the transplant team.

Yes - it's an opt in thing here in the US - they ask you when you renew your drivers license. Quite frankly, I don't plan on being a doner unless things like what I mention are fixed.

-S

lesrae · 03-19-07, 01:13 PM

Sounds bad. Here in the UK there are no charges, and also there is no direct financial value in the organs - you can't buy them. I suppose they're of value to the medical service but that's more of a hidden cost that I don't really understand.

Personally I have a donor card that allows them to take anything other than my eyes or my skin - for some reason that makes me feel uneasy. (I also carry a donner card so that someone can benefit from my kebab after my death.)

TteFAboB · 03-19-07, 01:28 PM

Nobody can touch me for at least 72 hours after I've been pronounced clinically dead. I've came up with this time period by myself but I wonder if I should extend it. Don't trust the system at all.

Tchocky · 03-19-07, 01:37 PM

I'm legally barred from giving blood, yet I managed to get an organ donor card at home. I canceled as soon as i got it, explained why. Didnt give me too much confidence in the system.....

Skybird · 03-20-07, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I am not, as you may guess, which is why I started the thread. Why? Because I think the program is messed up in my opinion. 2 Major problems:

1. They charge you as the dead person the cost for the proceedure to remove your organs. This is not a big deal or anything if you just died, but it becomes a big deal for your family who must now pay your bill because you were being kind enough to donate in the first place!!!

2. Because of what I already suspected - they do not take your organs when you are pronouced dead - ie brain dead. They go into you simply if your heart stops which makes sure you are dead - and I am sure less life saving measure are implemented on organ doners!!! According to a hospital, you are not dead until your brain dies since at that point, there is basically no chance of revival. However, if you are an organ doner, they do not bother to wait till you are clinically dead before they cut into you and take your organs. If you were not dead before, I guess you can for sure say that you are dead after they take your heart!!

-S

Read this if you don't believe me - http://www.playfuls.com/news_005593_...Harvested.html

A valid remark, Subman! A long time ago I red a short book about the history (and possible future perspectives) of surgery and intense medcine. It showed how the criterion of death has been changed repeatedly - not by new knowledge about physiology only, but even more so "in advance" - to allow ongoing "developement" of new surgical practices. It is a highly critical issue concernoing organ transplantation, too, as you have pointed. the death criterion here seems to have been chnaged to match not the interests of the sick or even dying person, but the interests of the surgeons. I can't recall all what was aid in that book, it is a longer time ago, but it is not the first time that vital criterios of health and death have been chnaged - for the benefit of medical practices, and accepting to soften up criterions that are in the interest of the patient.

I always carry small card in my wallet, where I give basic regulations concenring medical treatmenbt in case I have a serious accident and cannot articulate my will anymore. for me personally, I made the decision to rule out completely to recieve organs from a foreign donor, and I also set up criterions that - when being met - should prevent doctors to carry on with any kind of medical treatment altogether. I also said that if a doctor has a moral/cultural or religious problem with that, they should get another doctor for whom it is no problem.

Donating organs myself only is an option for me if I do it not anonymously, but for somebody that I do know personally. I am not about donating them to a general organ bank and see them being put on a list. but if for example the small kids of a close girl-friend of mine would be in need for an organ that I can provide, i would give it some very serious and probably positve thought.

I have been accused of being self-contradicting here, but I am honest enough to admit that I have stopped to care for all world and all mankind, and focus on being of help to that small part of it that I personally know, but here I try to help as good as I can. The simple truth is that I feel more sympathy for somebody that I know (and preferrably like) than for some anonymous stranger of whom I even do not he exists.

Maybe that is not kind, and not according to politically correct altruism. Okay, I am not kind then, big deal. I can live with that.

AG124 · 03-20-07, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lesrae

Personally I have a donor card that allows them to take anything other than my eyes or my skin - for some reason that makes me feel uneasy.

I'm not a donor (for many of the same reasons already discussed here) but if I were, I would actually feel the same way about the eyes.:p I suppose it doesn't really matter what happens to my eyes after I die, but I really don't like the idea of them being popped out of my head.

Never heard about donating one's skin though - don't remember seeing that one on the donor form they tried to give me.:hmm: That's one little box on the form that I definitely wouldn't fill in anyway...

Especially if I was to have an open casket.

Zinmar · 03-20-07, 12:39 PM

I am an organ donor. If my eyes can enable someone to see or heart or whatever, they can take them. I'm 41 have a few more years to go but if I do die let them be used by someone else. The only part I wasn't aware of is the charging to the family. I will ask my wife about it, she is an RN so can find out more about it here in Pennsylvania.

Schlageter-JG26 · 03-21-07, 09:47 PM

Who wants to live forever?

But yes, EMTs DO work less fervently to save donors. It's common knowledge and I work in healthcare management and have heard them make that claim several times.

But guess what? That's almost always when you're at a point you don't want to come back from to begin with. They just skip the useless stuff they would normally be required to keep trying by law.

Still a donor here.

03-19-07, 10:20 AM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Who in the US is an organ doner here? I am not, as you may guess, which is why I started the thread. Why? Because I think the program is messed up in my opinion. 2 Major problems: 1. They charge you as the dead person the cost for the proceedure to remove your organs. This is not a big deal or anything if you just died, but it becomes a big deal for your family who must now pay your bill because you were being kind enough to donate in the first place!!! 2. Because of what I already suspected - they do not take your organs when you are pronouced dead - ie brain dead. They go into you simply if your heart stops which makes sure you are dead - and I am sure less life saving measure are implemented on organ doners!!! According to a hospital, you are not dead until your brain dies since at that point, there is basically no chance of revival. However, if you are an organ doner, they do not bother to wait till you are clinically dead before they cut into you and take your organs. If you were not dead before, I guess you can for sure say that you are dead after they take your heart!! -S Read this if you don't believe me - http://www.playfuls.com/news_005593_...Harvested.html __________________

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,226 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not to forget that viable organs are worth big money. A donors family ought to be getting some of that instead of having to pay. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	I do not like the facts that you have stated in regards to the US Donor system although for many I can see it will not be a problem. Is Organ Donations in the US voluntary? At the moment in the UK there is a petition that every UK resident should be a doner unless they 'Opt Out'. This I do not like. As for the specifics of 'How you are pronounced dead' etc, I'm not sure where the UK stands on this. Although, you are only pronounced dead after verification by 2 specialists who are independant to the transplant team. __________________

03-19-07, 01:13 PM	#7
lesrae Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, UK. Posts: 932 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Sounds bad. Here in the UK there are no charges, and also there is no direct financial value in the organs - you can't buy them. I suppose they're of value to the medical service but that's more of a hidden cost that I don't really understand. Personally I have a donor card that allows them to take anything other than my eyes or my skin - for some reason that makes me feel uneasy. (I also carry a donner card so that someone can benefit from my kebab after my death.) __________________ DOLPHIN 38

03-19-07, 01:28 PM	#8
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Nobody can touch me for at least 72 hours after I've been pronounced clinically dead. I've came up with this time period by myself but I wonder if I should extend it. Don't trust the system at all. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand Last edited by TteFAboB; 03-19-07 at 01:48 PM.

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Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I'm legally barred from giving blood, yet I managed to get an organ donor card at home. I canceled as soon as i got it, explained why. Didnt give me too much confidence in the system..... __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-20-07, 12:39 PM	#12
Zinmar Commander Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 304 Downloads: 276 Uploads: 0	I am an organ donor. If my eyes can enable someone to see or heart or whatever, they can take them. I'm 41 have a few more years to go but if I do die let them be used by someone else. The only part I wasn't aware of is the charging to the family. I will ask my wife about it, she is an RN so can find out more about it here in Pennsylvania.

03-21-07, 09:47 PM	#13
Schlageter-JG26 Helmsman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 107 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Who wants to live forever? But yes, EMTs DO work less fervently to save donors. It's common knowledge and I work in healthcare management and have heard them make that claim several times. But guess what? That's almost always when you're at a point you don't want to come back from to begin with. They just skip the useless stuff they would normally be required to keep trying by law. Still a donor here.