If we had a time machine

[CptGrayWolf]

Just curious...

[Biggles]

I would not!

It's one thing to cause destruction and death on a computer.....but doing it for real??!!!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by Biggles

I would not!

It's one thing to cause destruction and death on a computer.....but doing it for real??!!!

Yeah this, cannot possibly imagine what they went through. Reading books like " Iron Coffins " give you an idea, but the real thing, not a chance.

[AVGWarhawk]

Let me see, under water, people attempting to kill me, food sucks, air is even worse.....hell no man, I stay in front of my warm glowing computer screen for sailing!!!

[Respenus]

No one said I would not be immortal. The question is if I woudl go there. The answer, yes, it would be a great learning experience. BTW, I'm most probably one of the worst kaleuns here. Show your guts men. Let's get a crew and sail into the unknown!

[The General]

"Nothing but a bunch of slack-jawwed faggots around here!" - Jesse Ventura, Predator

Where would we find the men to fight if a conventional WWIII broke out today?

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by The General

"Nothing but a bunch of slack-jawwed faggots around here!"

Where would we find the men to fight if a conventional WWIII broke out today?

It's quite simple: we know what happened during WW2, don't we?

We know the entire story, we know how many that died during those 6 years and 1 day of fighting (40-60 million dead, bloodiest war of all time).
We know the horrors, we know the tragedies.
We know how it ended.
The captains in the Kriegsmarine did NOT know all this. They knew only the facts that their commanders would tell them or the things they saw themselves......
Same goes for the R.A.F blokes, or the sovjet Red Army men.

They created history, so that we could read,listen,and see it. And what I've seen of it.....it wasn't pretty....and I can play how many WW2 games I want (and belive me, I DO),but give me 5 bullets and tell me to rush the hill and take up some other mans rifle when he dies......
or put me in a IXB U-boat and order me to stop the flooding in the engines compartment.....
or put me inside a B-17 and make me use a 30 caliber MG to try and save me and my friends lifes from a very fast, and indeed, a very deadly enemy......
IN REAL LIFE!!!!!!!!!

I'd be very,very,very scared indeed.

[Penelope_Grey]

I wouldn't go, no chance. One mistake and you were dead. the food was crap, the air stank of BO and diesel. They were stuffy hot cramped submersible tin cans.

Risk of death was very high, I like living, U-boats are just not a good idea for you due to their being very hazardous to your life expectancy.

[The General]

Penelope, I have a few questions for you. Are you female, how old are you and are you pretty?

[Linavitch]

I'll stick where I am thanks.

Going back to WWII is sorta at odds with my pacafistic beliefs.

[Khourieat]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Let me see, under water, people attempting to kill me, food sucks, air is even worse.....hell no man, I stay in front of my warm glowing computer screen for sailing!!!

Don't forget the bleeding ear drums from when the intakes for the diesel switch at a bad time...read a few accounts of that

[CaptainAsh]

I m gonna change the question... if you were german and living in the time of WWII would you join the uboat forces?
No way. I know they did a useful job for germany, and I m not calling them coward, we all know the statistic about going back home, but still... they were hunting merchant, trying to avoid warship. It was not the most honorable way to serve their country. Maybe, sometimes I will dream I was serving on Bismarck or Tirpitz, or in a Me109 or FW190 or even in a mighty Tiger. I will always respect submariner of german uboat, they were marching to their death, and they did it knowing about it. I do respect that. Still, they were doing one of the more nasty soldier job... even SS had a better civilian/military killed ratio...

[Penelope_Grey]

Originally Posted by CaptainAsh

I m gonna change the question... if you were german and living in the time of WWII would you join the uboat forces?
No way. I know they did a useful job for germany, and I m not calling them coward, we all know the statistic about going back home, but still... they were hunting merchant, trying to avoid warship. I was not the most honorable way to serve their country. Maybe, sometimes I will dream I was serving on Bismarck or Tirpitz, or in a Me109 or FW190 or even in a mighty Tiger. I will always respect submariner of german uboat, they were marching to their death, and they did it knowing about it. I do respect that. Still, they were doing one of the more nasty soldier job... even SS had a better civilian/military killed ratio...

You can't really slam the U-boats too hard for what they were shooting at. Hitler never really wanted war with the UK, and the main tactic of the U-boat forces was to try and starve the UK into complete submission, by cutting off its supply line which was the sea.

I think of it like this - the Uboats were like a hand around Britain's neck trying to choke us into unconsciousness. Rather than the fist slamming into our faces over and over till we were beat into an unconscious bloody pulp. Of course that changed with the bombing of the cities. Mind you, Churchill goaded Hitler to bomb cities rather than the airfields.

The whole idea of defeating Britain was very haphazard in my opinion. The U-boats were trying to cut off the supply lines and they very nearly succeeded.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Hitler never really wanted war with the UK, and the main tactic of the U-boat forces was to try and starve the UK into complete submission, by cutting off its supply line which was the sea.

I think of it like this - the Uboats were like a hand around Britain's neck trying to choke us into unconsciousness. Rather than the fist slamming into our faces over and over till we were beat into an unconscious bloody pulp. Of course that changed with the bombing of the cities. Mind you, Churchill goaded Hitler to bomb cities rather than the airfields.

The whole idea of defeating Britain was very haphazard in my opinion. The U-boats were trying to cut off the supply lines and they very nearly succeeded.

No chance what so ever, two things the basic design of the U-Boats had hardly changed from WW1 and the second thing, Hitler ordered a massive cut back in the area of scientific research due the fact Germany was ahead of everyone else and mainland Europe was under Nazi control.

The cut back in research allowed the British to catch up and then over take Germany. It's true to say the U-Boats did indeed inflict major damage but they just could not win. When Hitler attacked Russia he sealed his fate as he bled his army white in Russia and not forgetting his other big blunder by declaring war on America.


As for the poll, some of you captains need a holiday.

[Spray]

Originally Posted by STEED

No chance what so ever, two things the basic design of the U-Boats had hardly changed from WW1 and the second thing, Hitler ordered a massive cut back in the area of scientific research due the fact Germany was ahead of everyone else and mainland Europe was under Nazi control.

The cut back in research allowed the British to catch up and then over take Germany. It's true to say the U-Boats did indeed inflict major damage but they just could not win. When Hitler attacked Russia he sealed his fate as he bled his army white in Russia and not forgetting his other big blunder by declaring war on America.


As for the poll, some of you captains need a holiday.

I agree on that 80% of hitlers army was fighting on the Eastern front, the German U-Boats were succesful and over exceeded their expectations by a fair margin (im just adding on to what you said). Somewhere in SH3 at the end of the war you get the message from donitz telling that you have succeded in your mission however the fatherland has fallen or something along the lines. I dont know if this is what he said in reality but heck it sure sounded like it.