Cheney says Hicks will be among first detainees tried

TarJak · 02-24-07, 03:05 AM

Australian detainee David hicks to be near the head of the queue for trial:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...2/s1856137.htm

About bloody time!

Guilty or not, 5 years is too long without trial and the job done by the US on these trials has been simply diabolical from a human rights perspective.

baggygreen · 02-24-07, 06:45 AM

This one i can see several sides to the story - i can empathise to a certain extent with all points of view. I can certainly understand people who think it has beeen too long without a trial (bear in mind, Hicks' own defence lawyers have tied it up almost 2 years with appeals and whatnot). I can also understand people who say that the detainees by their actions have forfeited the rights they may otherwise have held.

To be honest, i dont think that Hicks should be brought back - i DO think he should be given some visitation rights by at least his father. (OT - mind you, whoever voted terry hicks for aussie of the year oughta be shot!)

Boris · 02-24-07, 06:56 AM

I want to see what the guy is like. Maybe if we got to see him in the media people could make up their minds whether he's an arsehole, or a normal Aussie bloke. He has already spent 5 years in detainment... already a fair sentance. Not so sure about what exactly he did.

TarJak · 02-24-07, 07:05 AM

@Boris I'm not sure that he's what you would call a typical Aussie bloke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hicks

Not too many Aussie blokes with a wikipedia entry like this one!

I've got no opinion as to whether or not he is guilty, I just think that 5 years in lockup without being charged is a bit much.

@baggygreen At least some of the delay was actually caused by the US govt and the civil righs movement in the US as they had to argue about whether or not the process was actually lawful and how or if it fit within the consitution. Regardless, in any other justice system other than the US military one, the accused would have to be charged or let go within a set period.

I'm saying from a purely human rights standpoint that regardless of his guilt or otherwise, something should have happened before now and I think that the Australian Government has been completely slack in not standing up to the US until public opinion started to turn on them.

Boris · 02-24-07, 07:10 AM

Well, Hicks surely isn't a typical Aussie bloke. What I meant, is there any reason at all to be sympathetic towards him now. 5 years is a long time to reflect on what you've done.

TarJak · 02-24-07, 07:15 AM

Dunno the bloke well enough as media reports are my only contact with him. Have a good read of the whole article and it covers most of what I've seen in the media about him.

I don't know for sure but seeing the campaign to get him out led by his father, I'd say there are some details in the article that his family may have had input to.

I just hope they get the trial started ASAP so we can find out what the evidence against him is for the charges they've laid. Gotta say I think the attempted murder one is a long bow given the prosecutor admits he never fired a shot!

02-24-07, 03:05 AM	#1
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Cheney says Hicks will be among first detainees tried Australian detainee David hicks to be near the head of the queue for trial: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...2/s1856137.htm About bloody time! Guilty or not, 5 years is too long without trial and the job done by the US on these trials has been simply diabolical from a human rights perspective.

02-24-07, 07:10 AM	#5
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Well, Hicks surely isn't a typical Aussie bloke. What I meant, is there any reason at all to be sympathetic towards him now. 5 years is a long time to reflect on what you've done. Last edited by Boris; 02-24-07 at 07:57 AM.

02-24-07, 06:45 AM	#2
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	This one i can see several sides to the story - i can empathise to a certain extent with all points of view. I can certainly understand people who think it has beeen too long without a trial (bear in mind, Hicks' own defence lawyers have tied it up almost 2 years with appeals and whatnot). I can also understand people who say that the detainees by their actions have forfeited the rights they may otherwise have held. To be honest, i dont think that Hicks should be brought back - i DO think he should be given some visitation rights by at least his father. (OT - mind you, whoever voted terry hicks for aussie of the year oughta be shot!)

02-24-07, 06:56 AM	#3
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I want to see what the guy is like. Maybe if we got to see him in the media people could make up their minds whether he's an arsehole, or a normal Aussie bloke. He has already spent 5 years in detainment... already a fair sentance. Not so sure about what exactly he did.

02-24-07, 07:05 AM	#4
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	@Boris I'm not sure that he's what you would call a typical Aussie bloke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hicks Not too many Aussie blokes with a wikipedia entry like this one! I've got no opinion as to whether or not he is guilty, I just think that 5 years in lockup without being charged is a bit much. @baggygreen At least some of the delay was actually caused by the US govt and the civil righs movement in the US as they had to argue about whether or not the process was actually lawful and how or if it fit within the consitution. Regardless, in any other justice system other than the US military one, the accused would have to be charged or let go within a set period. I'm saying from a purely human rights standpoint that regardless of his guilt or otherwise, something should have happened before now and I think that the Australian Government has been completely slack in not standing up to the US until public opinion started to turn on them.

02-24-07, 07:15 AM	#6
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Dunno the bloke well enough as media reports are my only contact with him. Have a good read of the whole article and it covers most of what I've seen in the media about him. I don't know for sure but seeing the campaign to get him out led by his father, I'd say there are some details in the article that his family may have had input to. I just hope they get the trial started ASAP so we can find out what the evidence against him is for the charges they've laid. Gotta say I think the attempted murder one is a long bow given the prosecutor admits he never fired a shot!