"Auto-aiming" for weak spots in GWX screwed up??

[VipertheSniper]

After doing 3 patrols in GWX, I noticed that on some ships the weak-spot "auto-aiming" doesn't work right, I think it was on the ammunition freighter, where I clicked that the torpedo should run into the forward ammunition depot, and when I fired it the stern ammunition depot was hit, I haven't had the opportunity to try if this works the other way round tho, e.g. when I aim for the stern depot, that the torp runs for the forward one, but on less than 1000m without the ship changing course or speed that's too much of an error in aiming. Second ship I noticed, where auto aiming seems screwed up is the second big cargo in the recognition manual, no matter which compartment I click at, the gyro angle won't change and at a range of 400m it certainly should, when I click first to aim for the rudder, and then for the fuel tank. When I fired the torp it hit the middle of the ship... if it would've happened only once I wouldn't even have noticed, but after I've sunk 4 or 5 from this ship type, always with the same procedure, going for the fuel tank first and hoping for a secondary explosion, and the torp always landing in the middle instead of a bit more forward, without any changes of the ships speed or course before the impact, I decided to investigate this matter, and saw that I can select any compartment I want the gyro-angle will always be set for the middle of this ship.

I know the obvious solution is to aim manually, but it's just convenient to use this.

Is there anyway to play with unlimited weapon supply? Because I'd like to create a mission with all merchants available to check this out

[bigboywooly]

Try it on one of the stock ships
It may be it doesnt work with the new modded ships
Maybe it doesnt work due to the rezoning for damage modelling

To be honest I dont think any of the GWX team knew that function existed so its not something done deliberately
If it does no longer work in GWX then its a cool side effect

[Boris]

You can auto aim certain spots? Never knew this, but I've never used noob targetting, ever.

Originally Posted by Boris

You can auto aim certain spots? Never knew this, but I've never used noob targetting, ever.

It existed even at 100% realism. In the vanilla version, if you were within 500 - 1,000 meters, within approx. +/- 20 degrees of 90 degrees AoB and with a gyro angle within +/- 30 degrees (all approx; not sure of the exact values) you would see different compartments (ex. fuel bunker, engine room) appear on the ship profile in the recognition manual. You could then click on which one you wanted and the game would automatically set your torpedo data to hit there.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Boris

You can auto aim certain spots? Never knew this, but I've never used noob targetting, ever.

Yeah, i used to do that when i first starting playing SH3. You have to get to within (under) 1000 meters to your target. Have Automatic TDC enabled, with the recognition manual open. You can acutally pick out where you want the torped to hit. Engine room, fuel bunker, ammo bunker, etc. Everythign except the Keel, which was represented, but didnt work right.

The sum of it is, you literally blow ships apart with 1 torpedo every time. Because a "targeted" shot like that, resulted in a critical hit every time, hence, KABOOM. I think this is what's called the AutoTDC's "silver bullet effect", or rather, all you have to do is have a torpedo hit one of those compartments regardless if you aimed for it or not. Instant critical hit, 100% every time, garunteed. Playing like this, if you have 22 torpedo,s your garunteed 22 sunken ships.

After awhile it got old, the game was too easy, and the tonnage highly unrealistc. I honestly felt embarrased for ever having posted a single "looky what i did" post having autoTDC enabled at the time.. It was my primary reason for shifting to manual targeting.

[Carotio]

Someone, not me, has investigated GWX zones.cfg file to put back this feature without altering the damage model of the ships or torpedo strength!

I haven't seen him posting this mod here, but he did at ubi forum...

[ref]

Originally Posted by Carotio

Someone, not me, has investigated GWX zones.cfg file to put back this feature without altering the damage model of the ships or torpedo strength!

I haven't seen him posting this mod here, but he did at ubi forum...

There's no need to strip the DM to do that, the auto-targeting boxes are defined in each ship cfg file
ie :
[2DCompartments]
UnitPos=75,6,366,22
NbOfComp=6
Name1=Propulsion
Area1=79,5,29,20
Name2=Keel
Area2=151,1,200,11
Name3=Fore Ammo Bunker
Area3=346,13,16,16,
Name4=Aft Ammo Bunker
Area4=149,13,16,16
Name5=Engines Room
Area5=233,13,62,16
Name6=Fuel Bunkers
Area6=297,13,26,16



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[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yeah, i used to do that when i first starting playing SH3. You have to get to within (under) 1000 meters to your target. Have Automatic TDC enabled, with the recognition manual open. You can acutally pick out where you want the torped to hit. Engine room, fuel bunker, ammo bunker, etc. Everythign except the Keel, which was represented, but didnt work right.

The sum of it is, you literally blow ships apart with 1 torpedo every time. Because a "targeted" shot like that, resulted in a critical hit every time, hence, KABOOM. I think this is what's called the AutoTDC's "silver bullet effect", or rather, all you have to do is have a torpedo hit one of those compartments regardless if you aimed for it or not. Instant critical hit, 100% every time, garunteed. Playing like this, if you have 22 torpedo,s your garunteed 22 sunken ships.

After awhile it got old, the game was too easy, and the tonnage highly unrealistc. I honestly felt embarrased for ever having posted a single "looky what i did" post having autoTDC enabled at the time.. It was my primary reason for shifting to manual targeting.

Well it seems a bit more complicated than that tho, on my last patrol I aimed for the rudder on one of those big cargos, I talked about above, that I already struck with my second last torpedo, so I fire my last fish for his rudder, manually, magnetic pistol, it explodes right below his rudder, yet the screw was still turning, when it probably shoul've been destroyed. the weather wasn't good, so I thought I'll force him to stop, and wait until I can finish him with my deckgun. He was sailing on merrily in the convoy and I had to let him go... So I guess there's more to it than just one hit kills, which btw, don't happen much anymore even with the original ships now in GWX

[bigboywooly]

@ Viper

Possibly
Maybe the torpedo charge was weak on that fish

Shortly after dawn one morning, Looks sighted the Second Support Group through his periscope. As the sloops passed, he fired a torpedo in the general direction of the nearest - Starling. On the sloop's bridge, Walker spun around at an excited shout from a lookout to see the track of the torpedo approaching his stern, homing on the propellers. There was no time to increase speed or to take violent avoiding action. His mind raced.
Starling was doomed. With eyes fixed on the line of bubbles, he rapped out orders: "Hard aport....Stand by depth charges....Shallow setting....Fire." Suddenly the air was rent by two almost simultaneous shattering roars. The first came from the depth charges and the second, from the torpedo, which had gone off 5 yards from the sloop's quarterdeck. The depth charges had countermined the torpedo a second before it struck.



This was an actual photo of the depth charges being set to "shallow" as the torpedo homed in

http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/walker.html