GWX...ships have superhuman vision! They see me before my lookouts see them

[crazypete]

Let me just say this: GWX is fantastic!! Totally new game.

However.....

Even in 1939, by the time my 3 qualified lookouts, 1 blueman and 1 qualified lookout officer spot a ship on the surface, my sub icon is red.

Last night, I was alerted to the presence of a destroyer 5k out because shells were landing on my submarine.

Now I thought vanilla escorts were near blind and they needed a little vision help.....

..but this is overkill. Subs are small and low in the water. I should be able to see ships before they can see me.

Will this get better when my lookouts strap on some medals or am I stuck with this situation?

[melnibonian]

I think as the experience of your crew increases so will their efficiency. A few medals will help as well. This is a stock and not a GWX bug, but thankfully it doesn't occur so often, so you can still play the game without any real problems.

[Corsair]

Although I haven't used it for ages, I think the color of the icon doesn't indicate if you are detected or not, but how detectable you are ?

[Martin1813]

Originally Posted by Corsair

Although I haven't used it for ages, I think the color of the icon doesn't indicate if you are detected or not, but how detectable you are ?

Yes, you're right.
It may helps some noob but should be get out after 3 or 4 patrols, maybe less...
and it's not very eye-candy

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by Martin1813

Yes, you're right.
It may helps some noob but should be get out after 3 or 4 patrols, maybe less...
and it's not very eye-candy

From all my testing... it seems to be a combination of how detectable you are ... and how close they are to actually detecting you...

When the icon pops to solid red... they do in fact have you though!

[crazypete]

I've been red on occasions and remained undetected. It must be detectability and not actual detectedness.


Actually, sometimes, I gun to engines to get a reaction out of a destroyer so he'll chase me and we go head to head at 20 kts, I cut the rudder at 500 M and he misses me by a few feet.

Then I set a torpedo for 3.5 m magnetic detonator, fast speed, manual targeting set to shoot straight ahead and get into a flank speed periscope depth dogfight. I crank open my torpedo tube and wait for the destroyer to dogfight himself right in front of me and fire a torpedo under him.

I killed 4 escorts like this before one of them took my conning tower and periscope right off.

Man! The english channel is crazy now.

[JU_88]

I suppose there different factors to consider, an escort watch crew have better visibility that a uboat watch as they have the advantage of elevation. However a uboat has a relativly small profile and doesnt produce a smoke stack, so its a close call as to who would spot who first, of course once you throw radar in to the equasion, its a whole differnt ball game. :hmm:

[danlisa]

Were you at high TC?

Regarding Night Time - GWX has fixed the Vampire Vision. This means that your crew will not be able to see as far as they could in the day. Yes your crew will get better with promotion/experience.

Edit - My suggestion is to play with the stealth indicator off as it gives unrealistic results.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by crazypete

Let me just say this: GWX is fantastic!! Totally new game.

However.....

Even in 1939, by the time my 3 qualified lookouts, 1 blueman and 1 qualified lookout officer spot a ship on the surface, my sub icon is red.

Last night, I was alerted to the presence of a destroyer 5k out because shells were landing on my submarine.

Now I thought vanilla escorts were near blind and they needed a little vision help.....

..but this is overkill. Subs are small and low in the water. I should be able to see ships before they can see me.

Will this get better when my lookouts strap on some medals or am I stuck with this situation?

Read the manual regarding real world gunnery and optics. Page 14. They have more eyeballs and better optics than your bridge crew. The odds are that even a lowly small merchant crew will see you first.

Enemy optics in GWX are very powerful by design.

However, the more watch qualifications you have, the better. Furthermore, as in real life... night-time and bad weather are your best friends... also.. the faster you are going... the more wake the enemy has to spot you.

Surface attacks at night are quite possible...and adviseable... but don't hang around to watch the pretty explosions.

If you are on the surface near enemy ships during broad daylight... you've got problems.

For some REAL fun... turn off your stealth-o-meter.

If you have the U-boat Commander's Handbook... read it and love it. It actually does help you in-game.

[crazypete]

So I should be surfaced at night only and creeping around at periscope depth during the day.

Not having a snorkel really puts a damper on things. I got too used to roaring around at full speed with the snorkel up.

[melnibonian]

Originally Posted by crazypete

So I should be surfaced at night only and creeping around at periscope depth during the day.

Not having a snorkel really puts a damper on things. I got too used to roaring around at full speed with the snorkel up.

I know what you mean GWX is not just eye-candy you see. It's deadly

[Kpt. Lehmann]

read my post again if you like... edited to include some more good stuff.

[AVGWarhawk]

Stealth meter in my view is just stupid. But, hey, thats me. I'll buy the fact that the merchants/warships had more eyes looking and also an elevated view to spot u-boats. I think the AI are darn good(as created by the GWX team) As far as the vampire vision at night, it has been corrected for sure. I do not see boats 15000m off in the distance anymore...even on a clear night! I think the AI are dead on.

[Subwolf]

Originally Posted by crazypete

Let me just say this: GWX is fantastic!! Totally new game.

However.....

Even in 1939, by the time my 3 qualified lookouts, 1 blueman and 1 qualified lookout officer spot a ship on the surface, my sub icon is red.

Last night, I was alerted to the presence of a destroyer 5k out because shells were landing on my submarine.

Now I thought vanilla escorts were near blind and they needed a little vision help.....

..but this is overkill. Subs are small and low in the water. I should be able to see ships before they can see me.

I agree, that is totally unrealistic. A U-boat at night, specially in winter time when the Atlantic nights were pitch dark, was more or less invisible until the radar was introduced. It could even move up and down inside convoys and they couldn't see it. The allies had to use searchlights and starshells when trying to locate it on the surface.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by Subwolf

I agree, that is totally unrealistic. A U-boat at night, specially in winter time when the Atlantic nights were pitch dark, was more or less invisible until the radar was introduced. It could even move up and down inside convoys and they couldn't see it. The allies had to use searchlights and starshells when trying to locate it on the surface.

Very well Subwolf. You are always quite content to point out any flaw you can find in GWX.

If it is indeed broken, how about you offer some coding suggestions on how to fix things?

Looking at all your previous postings... It looks to me like you are simply on a GW/GWX witch hunt.