HedgeHogs .. and you!

wamphyri · 11-20-06, 03:13 AM

I've played numerous campaigns in vanilla sh3 and I've yet to see the hedgehog. I'd play the numerous mods but i have dialup and I don't relish the idea of downloading something the size of the GW mod.

So what year do they appear??

wamphyri

bill clarke · 11-20-06, 03:24 AM

Hedgehog, also known as an Anti-Submarine Projector entered service in 1943.
Hedgehog was replaced by the more effective Squid mortar in 1943 and this in turn was replaced by the three-barreled Limbo. The United States produced a similar weapon called Mousetrap.

P_Funk · 11-20-06, 03:39 AM

I remember a great thread many months ago when someone posted pics of a hedgehog attack.

It was a real news storm. Damn its a rare occurence.

Incubus · 11-20-06, 03:53 AM

In my '44 career, I have DDs use them all the time against me. They're really annoying because if they go off above you, you're pretty much screwed. They sink fast and explode on contact.

You can tell they are using them because they make this DEAFENING sound when launched.

HunterICX · 11-20-06, 03:58 AM

I,ve met Flowers late war that has them too.

I was busy with a convoy when I heard something close...I looked around saw the bow of the Flower and I saw that he was shooting a ring of death , well at least where I was floating (PD). I took the whole package....Got rammed afterwards and Depth charged ... my IXD2 managed to repair the flooding but the flower and his pesky friends came again and sunk me too the bottom..

Hedgehog best anti tactic , stay undetected!:rotfl:

hyperion2206 · 11-20-06, 04:27 AM

I understand that the Hedgehog is fired in an elliptic or U-shape form,right? Wouldn't it possible to go back emergency as soon as you hear them launch and thus not being hit?:hmm:

HunterICX · 11-20-06, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperion2206

I understand that the Hedgehog is fired in an elliptic or U-shape form,right? Wouldn't it possible to go back emergency as soon as you hear them launch and thus not being hit?:hmm:

For my understanding what I have seen in Docs and Film pieces of the ww2 era that they have been fired in a ring-shape.

ArtieEngineer · 11-20-06, 04:46 AM

Ring shape in the game. I try to hit flank speed and turn hard when I think he is making his run. Sometimes works to avoid one or two sets. Soon as he drops his presents I go back to dead slow and change direction and depth.

11-20-06, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperion2206

I understand that the Hedgehog is fired in an elliptic or U-shape form,right? Wouldn't it possible to go back emergency as soon as you hear them launch and thus not being hit?:hmm:

Realistically speaking, you'd never hear them launch. And you'd be extraordinarily lucky to hear them hit the water for that matter. Normally the first (and only) indication that you'd had a hedgehog attack launched at you was the explosion when one impacted your hull.

Also, their pattern was either circular or elliptical.

(See here for an excellent description of the weapon: http://www.de220.com/Armament/Hedgehog/Hedgehog.htm )

Hartmann · 11-20-06, 06:06 PM

At least the explosive charge is smaller compared with a depth charge, but it falls very fast.

in u-505 mission the scorts are equiped with hedgehog, its a good training

P_Funk · 11-20-06, 06:39 PM

Though the charge is smaller it is more deadly because they are more accurate and are deployed in great numbers. Depth charges have to be larger because they are like artillery weapons that deal indirect damage. A depth charge is a realative shot in the dark. A hedgehog is more like a grenade than a piece of artillery. They are directed and are easier to observe. Theres no chance of getting a false positive with a hedgehog. The charge needs only be small by comparison because it is only going to detonate when in direct contact with a subs hull which is like a point blank shot.

Overall its spooky when you consider the realities of this weapon.

bookworm_020 · 11-20-06, 07:48 PM

If you want to see what a hedge hog looks like as it come for you, look below!

This was the second attack with Hedgehogs (you can see the marks of the first), two of the ones shown hit, it didn't kill me, but the depthcharges that followed did!

Hedgehogs in most cases didn't kill subs, they damaged them to the poit where they would have to surface, or made them an easier target. Escort captains liked it as they could keep contact with a possible contact throught the engagement, so the enemy couldn't dodge as well. They also didn't go off unless they hit the sub, so there was no disturbance in the water that could mask a sub getting away

11-20-06, 03:13 AM	#1
wamphyri Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lethbridge, Alberta Posts: 260 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	HedgeHogs .. and you! I've played numerous campaigns in vanilla sh3 and I've yet to see the hedgehog. I'd play the numerous mods but i have dialup and I don't relish the idea of downloading something the size of the GW mod. So what year do they appear?? wamphyri

11-20-06, 03:39 AM	#3
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	I remember a great thread many months ago when someone posted pics of a hedgehog attack. It was a real news storm. Damn its a rare occurence. __________________

11-20-06, 03:58 AM	#5
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I,ve met Flowers late war that has them too. I was busy with a convoy when I heard something close...I looked around saw the bow of the Flower and I saw that he was shooting a ring of death , well at least where I was floating (PD). I took the whole package....Got rammed afterwards and Depth charged ... my IXD2 managed to repair the flooding but the flower and his pesky friends came again and sunk me too the bottom.. Hedgehog best anti tactic , stay undetected!:rotfl: __________________

11-20-06, 06:06 PM	#10
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	At least the explosive charge is smaller compared with a depth charge, but it falls very fast. in u-505 mission the scorts are equiped with hedgehog, its a good training __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

11-20-06, 06:39 PM	#11
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Though the charge is smaller it is more deadly because they are more accurate and are deployed in great numbers. Depth charges have to be larger because they are like artillery weapons that deal indirect damage. A depth charge is a realative shot in the dark. A hedgehog is more like a grenade than a piece of artillery. They are directed and are easier to observe. Theres no chance of getting a false positive with a hedgehog. The charge needs only be small by comparison because it is only going to detonate when in direct contact with a subs hull which is like a point blank shot. Overall its spooky when you consider the realities of this weapon. __________________

11-20-06, 03:24 AM	#2
bill clarke Captain Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wagga Wagga, NSW Australia Posts: 519 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Hedgehog, also known as an Anti-Submarine Projector entered service in 1943. Hedgehog was replaced by the more effective Squid mortar in 1943 and this in turn was replaced by the three-barreled Limbo. The United States produced a similar weapon called Mousetrap.

11-20-06, 03:53 AM	#4
Incubus Planesman Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 195 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In my '44 career, I have DDs use them all the time against me. They're really annoying because if they go off above you, you're pretty much screwed. They sink fast and explode on contact. You can tell they are using them because they make this DEAFENING sound when launched.

11-20-06, 04:27 AM	#6
hyperion2206 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 1,227 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I understand that the Hedgehog is fired in an elliptic or U-shape form,right? Wouldn't it possible to go back emergency as soon as you hear them launch and thus not being hit?:hmm:

11-20-06, 04:46 AM	#8
ArtieEngineer Nub Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ring shape in the game. I try to hit flank speed and turn hard when I think he is making his run. Sometimes works to avoid one or two sets. Soon as he drops his presents I go back to dead slow and change direction and depth.

11-20-06, 07:48 PM	#12
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If you want to see what a hedge hog looks like as it come for you, look below! This was the second attack with Hedgehogs (you can see the marks of the first), two of the ones shown hit, it didn't kill me, but the depthcharges that followed did! Hedgehogs in most cases didn't kill subs, they damaged them to the poit where they would have to surface, or made them an easier target. Escort captains liked it as they could keep contact with a possible contact throught the engagement, so the enemy couldn't dodge as well. They also didn't go off unless they hit the sub, so there was no disturbance in the water that could mask a sub getting away __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"