Gameshadow has Sea Wolves for sale, so I contacted the CEO and told the about SW's

Tuddley3 · 11-18-06, 04:36 AM

Since I install the 1.4 Patch from Gameshadow, last week in fact for a SH3 reinstall, I noticed the Sea Wolves Expansion Pack for sale there(right under the Patch update). So I took the liberty of speaking out for all the hard working Freeware modders here at Subsim.

I was surprised when I received an Email Reply from the Founder and COO of the company. So I will share with you,my friends, my entire experience with Gameshadow. I suggest you read them from bottom to top, due to the order they come with Email. The bottom is where I first Contacted them through an Email, the Middle is Tony Treadwell replying back to me, and finally the top portion is me asking for him to show him self and interact with all of you about this Sea Wolves issue.

Well, I took some advice, and removed the Emails from this thread just in case. For those of you whom have replied, I appreciate the support in this issue. Thanks all !!

Safe-Keeper · 11-18-06, 04:41 AM

Good man.

Dowly · 11-18-06, 05:42 AM

Thanks Tuddley3! You should get a medal for that!

Tuddley3 · 11-18-06, 06:14 AM

Thanks guys, I appreciate the positive remarks so far. I was hessitant to post this thread at first, but maybe it was OK after all.

Jimbuna · 11-18-06, 06:34 AM

Bravo Tuddley

...but the big question is...Will he register here ? and if he does..will he announce his arrival ?

GlobalExplorer · 11-18-06, 06:46 AM

Seriously, you won`t achieve anything with your initiative if you post sensitive correspondence in public forums. Even if the dude was very sympathetic to your plea, you will probably not hear from him again now. Copyright matters are a very serious affair. So discussing them here would simply not be professional, and could be harmful to his career. Did you think about that?

God luck though.

GE

Gizzmoe · 11-19-06, 01:24 AM

Tuddley, unfortunately the way you contacted him was not very professional, the "may discontinue using Gameshadow if Sea Wolves is continued to be part of this great Website" part was especially lame IMO. I also agree that it wasn´t a good idea to post the emails. He asked you for details and it would have been much better if you´d presented him some (links to certain posts containing evidence), instead of asking him to come here and start a thread about SW.

I give you an A for effort, but so far only an F for execution.

flyingdane · 11-19-06, 04:12 AM

Yep" its like waiting for the last episode of ...(The last of the summer wine).."Re-runs" that all. :rotfl:

The Noob · 11-19-06, 04:36 AM

I hope this gets an positive outcome and X1's SW gets thier b*** kicked.

P_Funk · 11-19-06, 05:37 AM

I don't think that contacting them via email and then saying that the association between the site and a controversial product might cause him to cease his association with them was particularly bad. Obviously since he got the attention of the CEO it was actually effective. We say he wasn't professional but then again an end user isn't a professional and may lodge a complaint however he sees fit.

However it is true that the CEO won't ever post here. What you can do is inform him directly of the issue and then express the feelings of the community. Believe it or not businessmen take the threat of not returning for future services very seriously. If he responded this confirms that.

I think that what should be done now is to collect the best threads on subsim about the X1 scandal and attach them to an email to the CEO along with a carefully worded explanation of the community's feelings.

Maybe even a petition to remove SW with a number of attached emails or an individual email campaign would be in order if enough people feel obliged to carry this forward.

Also any further correspondence I think should include a request of permission to publish the emails to the community. Just wanna keep it all clean on our end.

Tuddley3 · 11-19-06, 05:52 AM

UPDATE

Wow, I just received some more info from Mr Treadwell. He really is into helping his Users/Customers. I knew I could count on him:

Email removed. Thanks for the advice Kylania .

Roger · 11-19-06, 09:52 AM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...866#post322866

Onkel Neal · 11-19-06, 10:48 AM

Closed per Tuddley

11-18-06, 04:36 AM	#1
Tuddley3 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Augusta, Maine USA Posts: 905 Downloads: 170 Uploads: 0	Gameshadow has Sea Wolves for sale, so I contacted the CEO and told the about SW's Since I install the 1.4 Patch from Gameshadow, last week in fact for a SH3 reinstall, I noticed the Sea Wolves Expansion Pack for sale there(right under the Patch update). So I took the liberty of speaking out for all the hard working Freeware modders here at Subsim. I was surprised when I received an Email Reply from the Founder and COO of the company. So I will share with you,my friends, my entire experience with Gameshadow. I suggest you read them from bottom to top, due to the order they come with Email. The bottom is where I first Contacted them through an Email, the Middle is Tony Treadwell replying back to me, and finally the top portion is me asking for him to show him self and interact with all of you about this Sea Wolves issue. Well, I took some advice, and removed the Emails from this thread just in case. For those of you whom have replied, I appreciate the support in this issue. Thanks all !! Last edited by Tuddley3; 11-19-06 at 06:56 AM.

11-18-06, 04:41 AM	#2
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Good man. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

11-18-06, 06:34 AM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,964 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Bravo Tuddley ...but the big question is...Will he register here ? and if he does..will he announce his arrival ? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-18-06, 06:46 AM	#6
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Seriously, you won`t achieve anything with your initiative if you post sensitive correspondence in public forums. Even if the dude was very sympathetic to your plea, you will probably not hear from him again now. Copyright matters are a very serious affair. So discussing them here would simply not be professional, and could be harmful to his career. Did you think about that? God luck though. GE __________________

11-19-06, 04:12 AM	#8
flyingdane Weps Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 355 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Yep" its like waiting for the last episode of ...(The last of the summer wine).."Re-runs" that all. :rotfl: __________________ It denos't mtater waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, it's olny iprmoatnt taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelms.Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

11-18-06, 05:42 AM	#3
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Thanks Tuddley3! You should get a medal for that!

11-18-06, 06:14 AM	#4
Tuddley3 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Augusta, Maine USA Posts: 905 Downloads: 170 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys, I appreciate the positive remarks so far. I was hessitant to post this thread at first, but maybe it was OK after all.

11-19-06, 01:24 AM	#7
Gizzmoe Silent Hunter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,668 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Tuddley, unfortunately the way you contacted him was not very professional, the "may discontinue using Gameshadow if Sea Wolves is continued to be part of this great Website" part was especially lame IMO. I also agree that it wasn´t a good idea to post the emails. He asked you for details and it would have been much better if you´d presented him some (links to certain posts containing evidence), instead of asking him to come here and start a thread about SW. I give you an A for effort, but so far only an F for execution.

11-19-06, 04:36 AM	#9
The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I hope this gets an positive outcome and X1's SW gets thier b*** kicked.

11-19-06, 05:37 AM	#10
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	I don't think that contacting them via email and then saying that the association between the site and a controversial product might cause him to cease his association with them was particularly bad. Obviously since he got the attention of the CEO it was actually effective. We say he wasn't professional but then again an end user isn't a professional and may lodge a complaint however he sees fit. However it is true that the CEO won't ever post here. What you can do is inform him directly of the issue and then express the feelings of the community. Believe it or not businessmen take the threat of not returning for future services very seriously. If he responded this confirms that. I think that what should be done now is to collect the best threads on subsim about the X1 scandal and attach them to an email to the CEO along with a carefully worded explanation of the community's feelings. Maybe even a petition to remove SW with a number of attached emails or an individual email campaign would be in order if enough people feel obliged to carry this forward. Also any further correspondence I think should include a request of permission to publish the emails to the community. Just wanna keep it all clean on our end. __________________

11-19-06, 05:52 AM	#11
Tuddley3 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Augusta, Maine USA Posts: 905 Downloads: 170 Uploads: 0	UPDATE Wow, I just received some more info from Mr Treadwell. He really is into helping his Users/Customers. I knew I could count on him: Email removed. Thanks for the advice Kylania . Last edited by Tuddley3; 11-19-06 at 06:58 AM.

11-19-06, 09:52 AM	#12
Roger Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 58 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 0	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...866#post322866

11-19-06, 10:48 AM	#13
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Closed per Tuddley