Alleged Russian Spy Caught in Canada

AG124 · 11-17-06, 02:07 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...onage-mtl.html

What is this all about? Is Russia still spying on us, even though the Cold War is over and the Soviet Union has collapsed? And why would they bother spying on Canada? (It's not like we're one of the greatest military powers in the world

). Or maybe it's just a mistake.

BTW - This wasn't posted here before, was it?

Perilscope · 11-18-06, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AG124

And why would they bother spying on Canada? (It's not like we're one of the greatest military powers in the world

).

Canada isn't the greatest power, and probably will never be. However Canada has many technological companies way ahead of Russian counterpart, and worth spying on. Russia does that to all G7 countries, and even non G7.
That's how they managed to do many things up to date. If it wasn't for spying, Russia would still be in the 70's in terms of military technology, they simply don't have the means for the research, and that is extra money. They can hardly nourish their people evenly coast to coast, their PPP is 62nd in the world.

Kapitan · 11-18-06, 04:25 AM

Theres alot russia can spy on canada is just one of many countries and yes spying still goes on.

Dowly · 11-18-06, 05:32 AM

So, somewhere there´s a 007 chasing the bad guys?

kiwi_2005 · 11-18-06, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AG124

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...onage-mtl.html

What is this all about? Is Russia still spying on us, even though the Cold War is over and the Soviet Union has collapsed? And why would they bother spying on Canada? (It's not like we're one of the greatest military powers in the world

). Or maybe it's just a mistake.

BTW - This wasn't posted here before, was it?

It aint no mistake. Even NZ gets spied on and were a threat to no one.

The Noob · 11-18-06, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AG124

Is Russia still spying on us, even though the Cold War is over and the Soviet Union has collapsed?

Thats what we wantet you to think, MUHAHAHAHA!!!

XabbaRus · 11-18-06, 11:42 AM

I just love how people seem surprised that Russia still spies on the west just because teh Cold war is over. No on estopped spying on anyone. Everyone spies on everyone else.

The US on the UK, the UK on France etc...

I disagree with Perilscope about how the Soviets lacked funds for research, there whole setup was geared to military research, they lagged behind in some areas of electronics mainly semiconductor research but to say they would have stayed in the 70's without spying is over egging the pudding. There are/were numerous areas where they were ahead.

Also there is teh question of pragmatism. Why spend millions researching what someone else has when you can just steal it, study it and in some areas improve on it.

Don't think the UK never did that on ol' Uncle Sam.

AG124 · 11-18-06, 12:01 PM

Ah, I see now.:hmm: I can see the spies are being deported in the present age - I think I have read of spies being deported from various countries during the Cold War as well. Would it have ever been common (either during the Cold War or now) for them to have been executed?

August · 11-18-06, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AG124

Ah, I see now.:hmm: I can see the spies are being deported in the present age - I think I have read of spies being deported from various countries during the Cold War as well. Would it have ever been common (either during the Cold War or now) for them to have been executed?

They have value in trades. The US and USSR used to trade their captive spies all the time. Gary Powers is one example.

11-18-06, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AG124

Ah, I see now.:hmm: I can see the spies are being deported in the present age - I think I have read of spies being deported from various countries during the Cold War as well. Would it have ever been common (either during the Cold War or now) for them to have been executed?

Absolutley, the Rosenbergs, although treason was the charge. Benedict Arnold for the same reason. Expulsions for espionage is more common with the UN in NYC and many embassies in DC. It works both ways however, there have been many fueds where countries expell each others diplomats over espionage.

XabbaRus · 11-18-06, 01:45 PM

Also there is an unwrtten rule that you don't bump each other spies off and I think that goes for execution too.

Look at the Cambridge five. I suppose under treason laws they could have been shot but sometimes it is worth letting them go just to see who they go to.

I think that sometimes they might let a spy continue his spying to see who their contact is they just let him see wrong information that he and the enemy whoever it is thinks is right.

11-18-06, 12:03 PM

Wasn't there a submarine type who spied on the US for Isreal?
As has been said every nation spies on every other nation, peace time relations or not.

kiwi_2005 · 11-18-06, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

Wasn't there a submarine type who spied on the US for Isreal?
As has been said every nation spies on every other nation, peace time relations or not.

Yes our intelligence have known for decades that australia are jealous of our sheep population!

The Avon Lady · 11-19-06, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

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Originally Posted by waste gate

Wasn't there a submarine type who spied on the US for Isreal?
As has been said every nation spies on every other nation, peace time relations or not.

Yes our intelligence have known for decades that australia are jealous of our sheep population!

And of England's sushi!

Perilscope · 11-18-06, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

...they lagged behind in some areas of electronics mainly semiconductor research...

So name a few things that Russia is ahead of the USA or allies? Maybe you will come up with a bigger list than what I have below:

1- Precision bombing(GBU, SB) = Russia behind
2- Night Vision technologies = Russia slightly behind
3- Engines (all areas) = Russia behind
4- Metal alloys = Russia behind
5- Fly by Wire(FBWS) = Russia behind
6- Electronic Combat(ECR) = Russia behind
7- Stealth technologies = Russia way behind
8- Avionics = Russia slightly behind
9- Laser technologies = Russia slightly behind
10- Smart Bullets = Russia way behind
11- Pure electronics = Russia behind
And the list goes on...

As far I am concerned, the above mentioned are very important and key elements in military superiority. Compared to Russia being ahead for the biggest Nuke, biggest rocket booster, chemical bombs, bigger guns and weird prototypes designed to impress but never hit production...

And in the real combat zone, they are still behind in the joint tactical information distribution systems method, which nowadays, it's all about that, they can't afford to modernize.

Without reverse engineering our technologies, Russia would simply not be where they are now.
In present days, that they would be in the 60's 70 or 80's, it doesn't matter; it's just a way to say they are behind. The point is they are behind in key elements fault of research, which they never had the money for it anyway without compromising the prosperity in all economical area, not only militarily.

Apart for a few big cities which are "fairly" up do date, Russia is still largely a farming country in which many people live in deplorable conditions. The US, GB, France, Germany, Italy and Japan hardly has what Russia has in terms of natural resources, yet they managed to advance well ahead of Russia in practically all areas, and that means militarily and well being of the people, both at the same time.

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11-18-06, 11:42 AM	#7
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I just love how people seem surprised that Russia still spies on the west just because teh Cold war is over. No on estopped spying on anyone. Everyone spies on everyone else. The US on the UK, the UK on France etc... I disagree with Perilscope about how the Soviets lacked funds for research, there whole setup was geared to military research, they lagged behind in some areas of electronics mainly semiconductor research but to say they would have stayed in the 70's without spying is over egging the pudding. There are/were numerous areas where they were ahead. Also there is teh question of pragmatism. Why spend millions researching what someone else has when you can just steal it, study it and in some areas improve on it. Don't think the UK never did that on ol' Uncle Sam. __________________

11-18-06, 12:01 PM	#8
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Spying Ah, I see now.:hmm: I can see the spies are being deported in the present age - I think I have read of spies being deported from various countries during the Cold War as well. Would it have ever been common (either during the Cold War or now) for them to have been executed? __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

11-18-06, 01:45 PM	#11
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Also there is an unwrtten rule that you don't bump each other spies off and I think that goes for execution too. Look at the Cambridge five. I suppose under treason laws they could have been shot but sometimes it is worth letting them go just to see who they go to. I think that sometimes they might let a spy continue his spying to see who their contact is they just let him see wrong information that he and the enemy whoever it is thinks is right. __________________

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	So, somewhere there´s a 007 chasing the bad guys?

11-18-06, 12:03 PM	#12
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Wasn't there a submarine type who spied on the US for Isreal? As has been said every nation spies on every other nation, peace time relations or not.