A few observations of late.....

Steeltrap · 11-02-06, 10:00 PM

Having read a number of threads lately, I've come to the conclusion that:

1. it's very easy to write something others find offensive.
2. some people are very sensitive on some matters, to the point where expressing any view contrary to theirs is likely to result in all sorts of carrying on.
3. a fair amount of the 'grief' in some posts re GWX has been caused by it being announced and talked about when there is no detail to be given. It's fine not to give detail, but that just leaves the posts open to speculation, which means the original posters end up 'having' to 'defend' a topic about which there are few facts....something of a pointless exercise for all involved.
4. some people appear to be allowed to express their views in highly intemperate terms without sanction, while some others get villified for expressing theirs (even if they expressed theirs somewhat clumsily - see point 3 below).
5. some people interpret any comments about GWX which MIGHT be viewed as critical (especially if the reader is predisposed to be sensitive) as being motivated by being devoted to other mods (the "you must be a fan-boy of NYGM" being one of my favourites - says plenty about the person saying this but not much else).

Seems we might have an easier time if:
1. there were fewer posts inviting comment inevitably based on ignorance because no facts are available
2. some people stopped responding so vitriolically to anything they see as critical of their own view
3. we all read our posts before posting and consider how they might read to others and amend them to the best of our abilities so as to prevent offense
4. modders and users of mods are treated with equal respect (just because I don't mod doesn't make my posting invalid, nor should the fact that someone does mod give them the right to dump on me because I don't....having said that, I always try to make it clear I respect and value the fantastic work modders do)

I am not aiming these observations at anyone in particular, or any mod (I've mentioned GWX simply because some threads have been about it - I'm not at all making any comment about the mod itself). I would respectfully suggest that anyone who feels otherwise might want to ask 'what might I have done that makes me feel any of this applies to me?' before choosing to bark at me for saying any of it.

I invite anyone to comment as they wish (although people would do that without any invitation anyway, I just wanted to make it clear I'm not 'lecturing' and am trying to invite some reflection by all of us....if I'm appearing otherwise that's no doubt due to poor choice of words, not intent).

Cheers

Ducimus · 11-02-06, 10:54 PM

1. True. Some peoples sensiblities are very.... sensitive.

2. True, see point 1. Example.. "realism" Some people are overreactive to said subject. Ive been in spats myself, and quicly found this forum has an ignore function. Tired of someone sniping at you? You can simply turn off what they say like a light switch.

3. Result of the NYGM vs GW strife. Rarely do spokesman for either mod directly give out specific details. They'll tell you the what in general terms, but very seldomly the how. The object being to jazz up users, but at the same time, project themselves from the other mod group or, aguably independant modders as well.

4. Without naming names, if your thinking of the person that i think you are, you just really have to talk with him on teamspeak once or twice to understand his disposition. He's really a nice guy, but what he writes tends to come out as being rather blunt. You also have alot of users who've been here awhile so they kind of know what to expect from one another. IE, "oh thats just soinso being his normal self, dont mind him!" type of a thing. Newer users tend to be an unknown factor.

5. Another result of the NYGM vs GW strife. Both sides sniping at each other was very common in the past. I admit i still do it occasionally myself, and ive seen both NYGM and GW posters do it occasionaly as well, but its usualy very subtle and well veiled.

donut · 11-03-06, 01:58 AM

TRUE: Till SHIV comes out,nothings hapening.An idle mind,is the devil's playground.

Warmonger · 11-03-06, 02:47 AM

I think here's one of the more civilized gamers forum to be honest. I've seen worse, I've been mod on worse for some time. What I mostly do is to stay away from the non-game general subfora because they are a constant source of provocant political and ethical dicussions leading into endless ramblings and insults and flamings.
I only watch the SH3 and the mod forum and I only post in them. So far everyone has been nice to me and so am I.

Edit: FINALLY a decent avatar after medic, navy dude and this crazy bankgog hell pic.

mountainmanUK · 11-03-06, 05:29 AM

One particular button is always extremely under-used.......

It's the button that reads........

PREVIEW POST

If it was used more, I'm sure there would be much less "inflammatory" stuff floating around!

JMHO

SteamWake · 11-03-06, 11:27 AM

I think the OP has pretty much outlined behaviour for EVERY forum Ive ever participated in.

Hell this one is quite mild compared to some others.

Its simple the "anonimity" of the internet and the fact that your not going to get knocked up the side of your head for saying something leads to contemptious behaviour.

Moderators here do a pretty good job of keeping things in check without being too heavy handed.

d@rk51d3 · 11-07-06, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainmanUK

One particular button is always extremely under-used.......

It's the button that reads........

PREVIEW POST

If it was used more, I'm sure there would be much less "inflammatory" stuff floating around!

JMHO

That, and the "SEARCH" button.

Onkel Neal · 11-07-06, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Having read a number of threads lately, I've come to the conclusion that:

Well said

Steeltrap · 11-08-06, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Having read a number of threads lately, I've come to the conclusion that:

Well said

Thanks Neal. I hope you meant the whole post, though, and not just the intro....

:rotfl: :rotfl:

11-02-06, 10:00 PM	#1
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	A few observations of late..... Having read a number of threads lately, I've come to the conclusion that: 1. it's very easy to write something others find offensive. 2. some people are very sensitive on some matters, to the point where expressing any view contrary to theirs is likely to result in all sorts of carrying on. 3. a fair amount of the 'grief' in some posts re GWX has been caused by it being announced and talked about when there is no detail to be given. It's fine not to give detail, but that just leaves the posts open to speculation, which means the original posters end up 'having' to 'defend' a topic about which there are few facts....something of a pointless exercise for all involved. 4. some people appear to be allowed to express their views in highly intemperate terms without sanction, while some others get villified for expressing theirs (even if they expressed theirs somewhat clumsily - see point 3 below). 5. some people interpret any comments about GWX which MIGHT be viewed as critical (especially if the reader is predisposed to be sensitive) as being motivated by being devoted to other mods (the "you must be a fan-boy of NYGM" being one of my favourites - says plenty about the person saying this but not much else). Seems we might have an easier time if: 1. there were fewer posts inviting comment inevitably based on ignorance because no facts are available 2. some people stopped responding so vitriolically to anything they see as critical of their own view 3. we all read our posts before posting and consider how they might read to others and amend them to the best of our abilities so as to prevent offense 4. modders and users of mods are treated with equal respect (just because I don't mod doesn't make my posting invalid, nor should the fact that someone does mod give them the right to dump on me because I don't....having said that, I always try to make it clear I respect and value the fantastic work modders do) I am not aiming these observations at anyone in particular, or any mod (I've mentioned GWX simply because some threads have been about it - I'm not at all making any comment about the mod itself). I would respectfully suggest that anyone who feels otherwise might want to ask 'what might I have done that makes me feel any of this applies to me?' before choosing to bark at me for saying any of it. I invite anyone to comment as they wish (although people would do that without any invitation anyway, I just wanted to make it clear I'm not 'lecturing' and am trying to invite some reflection by all of us....if I'm appearing otherwise that's no doubt due to poor choice of words, not intent). Cheers

11-03-06, 02:47 AM	#4
Warmonger Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 266 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I think here's one of the more civilized gamers forum to be honest. I've seen worse, I've been mod on worse for some time. What I mostly do is to stay away from the non-game general subfora because they are a constant source of provocant political and ethical dicussions leading into endless ramblings and insults and flamings. I only watch the SH3 and the mod forum and I only post in them. So far everyone has been nice to me and so am I. Edit: FINALLY a decent avatar after medic, navy dude and this crazy bankgog hell pic. Last edited by Warmonger; 11-03-06 at 02:51 AM.

11-02-06, 10:54 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	1. True. Some peoples sensiblities are very.... sensitive. 2. True, see point 1. Example.. "realism" Some people are overreactive to said subject. Ive been in spats myself, and quicly found this forum has an ignore function. Tired of someone sniping at you? You can simply turn off what they say like a light switch. 3. Result of the NYGM vs GW strife. Rarely do spokesman for either mod directly give out specific details. They'll tell you the what in general terms, but very seldomly the how. The object being to jazz up users, but at the same time, project themselves from the other mod group or, aguably independant modders as well. 4. Without naming names, if your thinking of the person that i think you are, you just really have to talk with him on teamspeak once or twice to understand his disposition. He's really a nice guy, but what he writes tends to come out as being rather blunt. You also have alot of users who've been here awhile so they kind of know what to expect from one another. IE, "oh thats just soinso being his normal self, dont mind him!" type of a thing. Newer users tend to be an unknown factor. 5. Another result of the NYGM vs GW strife. Both sides sniping at each other was very common in the past. I admit i still do it occasionally myself, and ive seen both NYGM and GW posters do it occasionaly as well, but its usualy very subtle and well veiled.

11-03-06, 01:58 AM	#3
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	TRUE: Till SHIV comes out,nothings hapening.An idle mind,is the devil's playground.

11-03-06, 05:29 AM	#5
mountainmanUK Sparky Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Blackburn, Lancashire, ENGLAND Posts: 154 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	One particular button is always extremely under-used....... It's the button that reads........ PREVIEW POST If it was used more, I'm sure there would be much less "inflammatory" stuff floating around! JMHO

11-03-06, 11:27 AM	#6
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I think the OP has pretty much outlined behaviour for EVERY forum Ive ever participated in. Hell this one is quite mild compared to some others. Its simple the "anonimity" of the internet and the fact that your not going to get knocked up the side of your head for saying something leads to contemptious behaviour. Moderators here do a pretty good job of keeping things in check without being too heavy handed.