Wolfpack Campaign: A journey through the U-boat War

Onkel Neal · 07-24-16, 05:44 AM

While the guys work on the game models and code, I'm preparing an outline for the campaign model. I'm going to post here and lay out some ideas, and since many of your are U-boat experts, I invite you to share your thoughts.

Onkel Neal · 07-24-16, 05:47 AM

Our plan for the game is to have three modes of play: skirmish, campaign, and player vs player. Skirmish and campaign are the first objectives, then we will develop a player vs player model that will make sense and provide compelling and engaging MP gameplay. We will come back to PvP at a later date.

Skirmish
Skirmish is merely an instant action convoy/war patrol encounter. Most U-boat missions are essentially: Locate convoy, Intercept convoy, Attack convoy, Evade escorts (re-engage if possible). This is what Doenitz tasked his U-boats with and this is what they sought. In real life, assembling a group of U-boats and locating a convoy could take weeks, and often a U-boat commander would never find a battle. Obviously, this would not work for a simulation, no one wants to simulate the boredom and frustration of empty seas.

And when you are talking cooperatively manned subs, by four dudes in real life, even less so. So, the plan is to start a skirmish mission off with the enemy within reasonable range, so the players can possibly intercept and engage within 30 minutes to an hour. It is important to note that we intend to have the missions dynamically generated, so no matter how many times you play a skirmish mission, the inclusion, placement, and course of the enemy will vary. Sometimes you will start off close and in favorable position, sometimes you will have to establish contact and attempt to obtain a favorable firing position without being detected.

So, whenever you want to play a quick game with your friends, you can select a convoy encounter, warship encounter, or random encounter and test your mettle as a U-boat crew.

Campaign
Our campaign is what this thread is about. I want to plan a campaign where you and three of your friends can set up a crew (like a clan in an RPG) in our Steam section and start a career from 1939 August until 1945 June. The missions will historically mirror the real U-boat war like the chapters of a book. I am researching all the phases of the war in order to include as many of the iconic battles and missions as possible. So, feel free to list scenarios and missions with their corresponding dates and locations that you think would make great campaign missions. We are still in the planning phase. Below are some that I have on my list:

Training: U-boat school (can be skipped). A mission in the harbor where you get a chance to practice TDC and torpedo shots with illuminated dummy torpedoes against friendly tugs and coastal ships. Your sonar guy will get some training on how the sonar, radio and enigma works, and your chief will get practice diving the boat, holding at PD, and surfacing.

1939: “My God! So it’s war with England again!” War begins, missions in the North Sea and around the British Isles. You will encounter warships, neutrals, and single cargo ships. You may encounter passenger ships and it will be your task to ID them and determine if you are within orders to sink them. If you sink an Athenia, you and your crew may be subject to disciplinary actions. As the year progresses, you will encounter more British warships trying to enforce a blockade, including RN aircraft carriers (fat juicy targets). You may receive orders to penetrate an enemy harbor, such as Scapa Flow (good luck with that!).

1940: Happy Times. You sight your first convoy. British ships have no radar so your surface raiding tactics at night will bring you glory, as long as you correctly gauge how closely you can approach ships. Weather and moon conditions will have an impact. You may experience occasional torpedo failures, you better have BdU look into it. You may be tasked with taking part in Operation Weserübung, the invasion of Norway, so watch out for waters heavily infested with escorts. After the fall of France, you may be based out of the French port. The Happy Times begin. Your U-boat is a force to be feared as you sink ships by the ton

Just be sure not to sink an American, even though they may be trying to sink you.

1941: Happy Times continue, but in March your radioman begins to get an alarming number of radio message from other U-boats that are sinking. Escorts get smarter. First tactical radar sets begin showing up. Operation Bismarck. You get your first taste of wolfpack tactics! Also, your first encounter with a Q-ship. Patrols in the mid Atlantic where Allied aircraft cannot follow.

1942: America in the war, commence Operation Drumbeat. War on tankers. Happy Times are back with easy pickings off the eastern coast of the USA. Refueling operations with Milche Cows. Transit across the Bay of Biscay becomes more hazardous with the unexpected appearance of Wellington bombers and other Allied aircraft equipped with radar and Leigh lights. Metox detectors are quickly installed in all boats. America's defenses tighten up, and patrol zones return to the middle Atlantic. Patrol area shifted to attack Allied landing in North Africa.

1943: Climax. The greatest convoy battles take place with large wolfpacks. Allied radar improves with deadly results for U-boats. Escort hunter/killer groups. Black May. Wanze replaces Metox. Patrols redirected to Freetown and the east coast of Brazil. BOLDs are introduced. Flak boats. Mission to the Med.

1944: Desperation. FAT and GNAT torpedoes, NAXOS are issued to your boat. Snorkel added to your boat. Allied defenses spell the end of the war for U-boats. Escort carriers hound wolfpacks. Orders to attack Allied landing ships in English Channel. Base of operations moved to Norway.

1945: Defeat. Radar installed on your boat. Secret mission. Promise of a new Type XXI electro-boat. Allied homing torpedoes. Shortages. Last patrol.

________________________________________
More coming

PL_Andrev · 07-24-16, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

(...)we will develop a player vs player model that will make sense and provide compelling and engaging MP gameplay. We will come back to PvP at a later date.

What does PvP mean?

multiple subs hunt ships at convoy,
multiple subs hunt himself
convoy battle: DD team vs SUB team
other (?)

THE_MASK · 07-25-16, 09:12 PM

Quoted from Australian newspaper articles .
Sat 19th Dec 1942
Berlin radio now claims that Germany now has uboat tankers .
Uboat tanker mission .
Maybe a version of a Uboat tanker could be modelled .
How fun would it be for 4 people trying to refuel other uboats that turn up ?
Currents modelled , maintain proximity with other uboat via the engine station .
Use radio operator to communicate with other Uboat .
2 people on deck to operate the fuel boom thing .
OK , you mentioned in another thread fuel wont be an issue . What about some players can choose to play in 1 sub and a coop player can choose a milk cow . The milk cow has torps that can be loaded from the milk cow to any other uboat if torp slots are available . The torps are loaded via a boom crane . The boom replaces the deck gun . Maybe a milk cow is just a uboat that has the deck gun replaced by the boom crane . Would be fun to load torps onto another sub . For me a support role would be interesting .

Wed 8th August 1945
Moscow Red Star revealed that a German submarine shelled Red Army posts on Rugen island .
Reported that many small German vessels are still hiding in the Baltic sea .
After shelling a vessel they disappeared into the fog .
Use fog patches as cover in a hit and run mission in the Baltic in 1945 .

Some sort of iceberg run like what was portrayed in SH3 trailer just for fun .

Chromatix · 07-26-16, 07:20 AM

Does this confirm that the game will fundamentally be mission-based, rather than open-world patrols?

PL_Andrev · 07-26-16, 10:13 AM

Yeap, no open world.
To avoid boring time of "patrol time" for non-captain players the campaign is planned as set of scenarios. Each scenario will be randomly generated mission based at scenario conditions (available weapons, escort efficiency, wolfpack activity, "surprises" like Q-boats or HK groups).

It looks not so good in first view, but randomly generated missions have sense here (generally at Silent Hunter you met the contact and engine randomly decides what kind of ship / convoy it was). Not sure what happened if "captain" decides to avoid targets / escape mission.
____________________

Proposed missions:
All the best scenarios were described by Neal.
Hope the night surface attack will be more easy / safe / usefull than submerged attack how it is at Silent Hunter series...

Penguin · 07-26-16, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

If you sink an Athenia, you and your crew may be subject to disciplinary actions.

This brings me to the idea of some morale- or ethics-based decisions, similar to This War Of Mine.
It doesn't have to be as dramatic as civilian-saving missions inspired by the Laconia, but also smaller stuff, such as:
- Do you want to boost crew morale by playing enemy music while also risking to be scoulded by upper command?
- Do you want to risk to search an abandoned enemy ship for intelligence or even something trivial as fresh food? The latter could also boost crew morale, the former give you a better standing with your superiors, maybe resulting in better equipment or a more experienced crew-
- An enemy plane is sighted, you plan for a crash dive, however your rookie crewmember somehow is tangeled up his harness in the winter garden...

I think this could be a quite interesting addition and an additional immersion factor, especially in multiplayer, when 4 folks have to agree to a decision.

Onkel Neal · 07-27-16, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PL_Andrev

Yeap, no open world.
To avoid boring time of "patrol time" for non-captain players the campaign is planned as set of scenarios. Each scenario will be randomly generated mission based at scenario conditions (available weapons, escort efficiency, wolfpack activity, "surprises" like Q-boats or HK groups).

It looks not so good in first view, but randomly generated missions have sense here (generally at Silent Hunter you met the contact and engine randomly decides what kind of ship / convoy it was). Not sure what happened if "captain" decides to avoid targets / escape mission.
____________________

Proposed missionsHope the night surface attack will be more easy / safe / usefull than submerged attack how it is at Silent Hunter series...

Agreed, the night surface attack is a critical tactical element of U-boat warfare. In the early part of the war before British ships had good radar, the Aces would slip into a convoy on the surface and wreak havoc. Kretscmher was known for this, as was Mohr and others. The trick is to factor in weather, night, and distance into the detection model. I propose that you will have success in early war surface night attacks, but it will always be risky, because just like the real men who did this, you will never know for sure when you will be detected. And if you are detected 2000m away from a hard charging destroyer, you will have problems. In our game, with 4 players, where 3 of them are at the mercy of one player's command decisions...you see where there could be tension? It won't be a simple feat for 4 players to successfully complete a long historical campaign.

I am definitely thinking of adding an Iron Man option where if your crew is sunk, the campaign will end and you will only be able to start with a fresh campaign.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyj

For open world could you not set a course, real life players go about their real daily routine, with automated crew picking up hydrophone/radar/radio contacts and then notify all real players via email/sms when contact made. The boat then shadows automatically from safe distance, players agree to come online at certain time to take over controls and then treat as normal scenario. Would be pretty exciting to know your boat is traveling in real time and not knowing what/when you would encounter the enemy. Also you can retreat and back into automated mode. Something like that anyway.

That's a very exciting concept.

I like it, but it is too ambitious for our small team. Who knows, if this game is a smash success, I would love to shoot for the stars with a project like this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin

This brings me to the idea of some morale- or ethics-based decisions, similar to This War Of Mine.
It doesn't have to be as dramatic as civilian-saving missions inspired by the Laconia, but also smaller stuff, such as:
- Do you want to boost crew morale by playing enemy music while also risking to be scoulded by upper command?
- Do you want to risk to search an abandoned enemy ship for intelligence or even something trivial as fresh food? The latter could also boost crew morale, the former give you a better standing with your superiors, maybe resulting in better equipment or a more experienced crew-
- An enemy plane is sighted, you plan for a crash dive, however your rookie crewmember somehow is tangeled up his harness in the winter garden...

I think this could be a quite interesting addition and an additional immersion factor, especially in multiplayer, when 4 folks have to agree to a decision.

Hey, have you been peeking in my game journal?

Of course, with 4 human players, the radio player could put on a record, and his Captain may decide that is inappropriate, but who knows if that will affect morale of the real guys.... This War of Mine (great game, btw) has AI characters who are affected by events and actions. Our game is guys like you and me.

One thing I am sure that will affect morale of the real human players, is missions that are scripted, where everything happens the same way--same ships appear in the same place, going the same speed and course...I really want to eliminate that morale killer. Oscar assures me he can add a great deal of variability to ship placement, inclusion, and orders. That is really exciting. When you replay a mission, you will be in the same time period and the tech boundaries will remain the same (of course), but you will still be sailing into the unknown. You will have a reasonable chance of engaging the enemy (it will vary), but you will still need to locate him, determine what he is (convoy, single merchant, hunter/killer group, ???) and plot a smart intercept course to set up a firing solution.

Hey, don't laugh but we did decide that when the boat crash dives, the Captain MUST close the conning tower hatch or the boat will flood.

Aktungbby · 07-27-16, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Hey, don't laugh but we did decide that when the boat crash dives, the Captain MUST close the conning tower hatch or the boat will flood.

OH I wonder where that came from!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2421625#post2421625

Quote:

56. The Commander is personally responsible for opening and closing the conning tower hatch. After opening or closing the Commander notifies the boat: Commander: "Conning tower hatch is open or closed".

http://www.uboatarchive.net/Diving/DivingRegulations.htm

PL_Andrev · 07-27-16, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Hey, don't laugh but we did decide that when the boat crash dives, the Captain MUST close the conning tower hatch or the boat will flood.

The closing hatch is good idea, but l'm not sure 'captain responsibily' is the best idea.
What happened if someone else is on the deck? What happened when mission is failed due engineer did not dive on time (because hatch was still opened)?

The better idea is flooding effect when open hatch is under water level (after that sub cannot be easy trimmed due additional weight of water inside) plus each player on the deck when sub is diving is kicked-off from mission.

Sailor Steve · 07-27-16, 07:38 AM

A simple fact on the hatch question: What the Americans called the "Christmas Tree", due to US lights being red and green. On U-boats the portal lights are red and white, but the point is that there is a light for the conning tower hatch, as well as engine intake ports and some others, and the LI (Chief) will not give the order to dive until all the lights are white.

The Watch Duty Officer will always be the last man down, and he will close the hatch behind him. If the captain is on the bridge then he will take that responsibility.

One of the problems with SH5 was the requirement for the player to go down the hatch manually and close it behind him, which didn't always work properly. My solution for this would be a simple visual routine. When you click "Dive" or "Crash Dive" you would see the watch crew go down the hatch, then see yourself go down and see the hatch close behind you. No extra tasks to do what you would do automatically.

keysersoze · 08-01-16, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I am researching all the phases of the war in order to include as many of the iconic battles and missions as possible. So, feel free to list scenarios and missions with their corresponding dates and locations that you think would make great campaign missions.

In case this is of some assistance, here is a spreadsheet I put together with 111 "special missions" U-boats conducted throughout the war. They might add some real flavor to the game.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Sailor Steve · 08-01-16, 04:53 PM

That is fantastic work!

THE_MASK · 08-01-16, 05:19 PM

Minelaying subs .
Something no other sub game has afaik .
Not sure how fun this would be unless the game progresses far enough and I am in an aussie sunderland bombing you .
http://uboat.net/types/xb.htm

keysersoze · 08-03-16, 08:40 PM

If done properly and sparingly, minelaying could be quite exciting. After all, it usually involved silently infiltrating very near the most active Allied ports--almost always dodging destroyers and ASW trawlers. I know of at least one U-boat skipper who simply lost his nerve when ordered to infiltrate a major port and deposit mines despite heavy enemy ASW patrols. Donitz relieved him upon returning to port.

In that sense, I think being ordered, every once in a while, to do things like lay mines in a heavily trafficked harbor might be a real challenge, especially considering the mine storage requirements would leave you with few to no torpedoes and therefore reliant only on stealth, good judgment, and audacity.

07-24-16, 05:44 AM	#1
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,363 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Wolfpack Campaign: A journey through the U-boat War While the guys work on the game models and code, I'm preparing an outline for the campaign model. I'm going to post here and lay out some ideas, and since many of your are U-boat experts, I invite you to share your thoughts. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-24-16, 05:47 AM	#2
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,363 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Our plan for the game is to have three modes of play: skirmish, campaign, and player vs player. Skirmish and campaign are the first objectives, then we will develop a player vs player model that will make sense and provide compelling and engaging MP gameplay. We will come back to PvP at a later date. Skirmish Skirmish is merely an instant action convoy/war patrol encounter. Most U-boat missions are essentially: Locate convoy, Intercept convoy, Attack convoy, Evade escorts (re-engage if possible). This is what Doenitz tasked his U-boats with and this is what they sought. In real life, assembling a group of U-boats and locating a convoy could take weeks, and often a U-boat commander would never find a battle. Obviously, this would not work for a simulation, no one wants to simulate the boredom and frustration of empty seas. And when you are talking cooperatively manned subs, by four dudes in real life, even less so. So, the plan is to start a skirmish mission off with the enemy within reasonable range, so the players can possibly intercept and engage within 30 minutes to an hour. It is important to note that we intend to have the missions dynamically generated, so no matter how many times you play a skirmish mission, the inclusion, placement, and course of the enemy will vary. Sometimes you will start off close and in favorable position, sometimes you will have to establish contact and attempt to obtain a favorable firing position without being detected. So, whenever you want to play a quick game with your friends, you can select a convoy encounter, warship encounter, or random encounter and test your mettle as a U-boat crew. Campaign Our campaign is what this thread is about. I want to plan a campaign where you and three of your friends can set up a crew (like a clan in an RPG) in our Steam section and start a career from 1939 August until 1945 June. The missions will historically mirror the real U-boat war like the chapters of a book. I am researching all the phases of the war in order to include as many of the iconic battles and missions as possible. So, feel free to list scenarios and missions with their corresponding dates and locations that you think would make great campaign missions. We are still in the planning phase. Below are some that I have on my list: Training: U-boat school (can be skipped). A mission in the harbor where you get a chance to practice TDC and torpedo shots with illuminated dummy torpedoes against friendly tugs and coastal ships. Your sonar guy will get some training on how the sonar, radio and enigma works, and your chief will get practice diving the boat, holding at PD, and surfacing. 1939: “My God! So it’s war with England again!” War begins, missions in the North Sea and around the British Isles. You will encounter warships, neutrals, and single cargo ships. You may encounter passenger ships and it will be your task to ID them and determine if you are within orders to sink them. If you sink an Athenia, you and your crew may be subject to disciplinary actions. As the year progresses, you will encounter more British warships trying to enforce a blockade, including RN aircraft carriers (fat juicy targets). You may receive orders to penetrate an enemy harbor, such as Scapa Flow (good luck with that!). 1940: Happy Times. You sight your first convoy. British ships have no radar so your surface raiding tactics at night will bring you glory, as long as you correctly gauge how closely you can approach ships. Weather and moon conditions will have an impact. You may experience occasional torpedo failures, you better have BdU look into it. You may be tasked with taking part in Operation Weserübung, the invasion of Norway, so watch out for waters heavily infested with escorts. After the fall of France, you may be based out of the French port. The Happy Times begin. Your U-boat is a force to be feared as you sink ships by the ton Just be sure not to sink an American, even though they may be trying to sink you. 1941: Happy Times continue, but in March your radioman begins to get an alarming number of radio message from other U-boats that are sinking. Escorts get smarter. First tactical radar sets begin showing up. Operation Bismarck. You get your first taste of wolfpack tactics! Also, your first encounter with a Q-ship. Patrols in the mid Atlantic where Allied aircraft cannot follow. 1942: America in the war, commence Operation Drumbeat. War on tankers. Happy Times are back with easy pickings off the eastern coast of the USA. Refueling operations with Milche Cows. Transit across the Bay of Biscay becomes more hazardous with the unexpected appearance of Wellington bombers and other Allied aircraft equipped with radar and Leigh lights. Metox detectors are quickly installed in all boats. America's defenses tighten up, and patrol zones return to the middle Atlantic. Patrol area shifted to attack Allied landing in North Africa. 1943: Climax. The greatest convoy battles take place with large wolfpacks. Allied radar improves with deadly results for U-boats. Escort hunter/killer groups. Black May. Wanze replaces Metox. Patrols redirected to Freetown and the east coast of Brazil. BOLDs are introduced. Flak boats. Mission to the Med. 1944: Desperation. FAT and GNAT torpedoes, NAXOS are issued to your boat. Snorkel added to your boat. Allied defenses spell the end of the war for U-boats. Escort carriers hound wolfpacks. Orders to attack Allied landing ships in English Channel. Base of operations moved to Norway. 1945: Defeat. Radar installed on your boat. Secret mission. Promise of a new Type XXI electro-boat. Allied homing torpedoes. Shortages. Last patrol. ________________________________________ More coming __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web Last edited by Onkel Neal; 07-24-16 at 11:11 AM.

07-25-16, 09:12 PM	#4
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Quoted from Australian newspaper articles . Sat 19th Dec 1942 Berlin radio now claims that Germany now has uboat tankers . Uboat tanker mission . Maybe a version of a Uboat tanker could be modelled . How fun would it be for 4 people trying to refuel other uboats that turn up ? Currents modelled , maintain proximity with other uboat via the engine station . Use radio operator to communicate with other Uboat . 2 people on deck to operate the fuel boom thing . OK , you mentioned in another thread fuel wont be an issue . What about some players can choose to play in 1 sub and a coop player can choose a milk cow . The milk cow has torps that can be loaded from the milk cow to any other uboat if torp slots are available . The torps are loaded via a boom crane . The boom replaces the deck gun . Maybe a milk cow is just a uboat that has the deck gun replaced by the boom crane . Would be fun to load torps onto another sub . For me a support role would be interesting . Wed 8th August 1945 Moscow Red Star revealed that a German submarine shelled Red Army posts on Rugen island . Reported that many small German vessels are still hiding in the Baltic sea . After shelling a vessel they disappeared into the fog . Use fog patches as cover in a hit and run mission in the Baltic in 1945 . Some sort of iceberg run like what was portrayed in SH3 trailer just for fun . Last edited by THE_MASK; 07-27-16 at 01:31 AM.

07-26-16, 07:20 AM	#5
Chromatix Watch Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 26 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Does this confirm that the game will fundamentally be mission-based, rather than open-world patrols? __________________ In a submarine battle, you can be: on fire, underwater, under fire, & taking on water... simultaneously.

07-26-16, 10:13 AM	#6
PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	Yeap, no open world. To avoid boring time of "patrol time" for non-captain players the campaign is planned as set of scenarios. Each scenario will be randomly generated mission based at scenario conditions (available weapons, escort efficiency, wolfpack activity, "surprises" like Q-boats or HK groups). It looks not so good in first view, but randomly generated missions have sense here (generally at Silent Hunter you met the contact and engine randomly decides what kind of ship / convoy it was). Not sure what happened if "captain" decides to avoid targets / escape mission. ____________________ Proposed missions: All the best scenarios were described by Neal. Hope the night surface attack will be more easy / safe / usefull than submerged attack how it is at Silent Hunter series... __________________ Last edited by PL_Andrev; 07-26-16 at 12:15 PM.

07-27-16, 07:38 AM	#11
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	A simple fact on the hatch question: What the Americans called the "Christmas Tree", due to US lights being red and green. On U-boats the portal lights are red and white, but the point is that there is a light for the conning tower hatch, as well as engine intake ports and some others, and the LI (Chief) will not give the order to dive until all the lights are white. The Watch Duty Officer will always be the last man down, and he will close the hatch behind him. If the captain is on the bridge then he will take that responsibility. One of the problems with SH5 was the requirement for the player to go down the hatch manually and close it behind him, which didn't always work properly. My solution for this would be a simple visual routine. When you click "Dive" or "Crash Dive" you would see the watch crew go down the hatch, then see yourself go down and see the hatch close behind you. No extra tasks to do what you would do automatically. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-01-16, 04:53 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	That is fantastic work! __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-01-16, 05:19 PM	#14
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Minelaying subs . Something no other sub game has afaik . Not sure how fun this would be unless the game progresses far enough and I am in an aussie sunderland bombing you . http://uboat.net/types/xb.htm Last edited by THE_MASK; 08-01-16 at 09:37 PM.

08-03-16, 08:40 PM	#15
keysersoze Ensign Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 226 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	If done properly and sparingly, minelaying could be quite exciting. After all, it usually involved silently infiltrating very near the most active Allied ports--almost always dodging destroyers and ASW trawlers. I know of at least one U-boat skipper who simply lost his nerve when ordered to infiltrate a major port and deposit mines despite heavy enemy ASW patrols. Donitz relieved him upon returning to port. In that sense, I think being ordered, every once in a while, to do things like lay mines in a heavily trafficked harbor might be a real challenge, especially considering the mine storage requirements would leave you with few to no torpedoes and therefore reliant only on stealth, good judgment, and audacity.