TMA - Towed array question - gameplay

05-25-21, 01:51 AM

Hi,

Was wondering how I maintain a solution on a contact when I retrieve my towed array - I read somewhere, not sure where that when a sub is about to launch they retrieve the towed array before firing for obvious reasons.

So that's the question basically. I'm guessing it has something to do with merging the contact trackers spherical w/ Towed but if someone could please enlighten me?

Cheers,
Kick

05-25-21, 03:25 AM

Does anyone know of any guides written that detail such information as - how to work a merged contact with the towed array and spherical on the TMA display?

Thanks

Stewy1 · 05-25-21, 04:15 AM

Hi Kickswitch,

If I reel in my TA before firing, and don't have the target on the other sonars, I'm basically assuming the solution is good enough for a couple of minutes to put the torps in the right spot and then their seekers can take over for the kill.

So, I think there's a degree of speculation in it, but I think there is speculation for just about every shot (sonar washes out due to ownship evasion speed, target evades, torps 'block out' the target's noise on sonar, etc.)

I've not heard how to put a TA track onto another sonar (so you can reel in the TA) - not sure it can be done??

Just my 2c - happy to be corrected

Stew

05-25-21, 04:29 AM

Hi Stewey, now I think about that that does make a lot of sense - the solution is put in the torpedo does the rest (hopefully) thanks mate. I'm thinking that by retrieving the towed array that would be for when you go defensive with an incoming torpedo for evasion.

FPSchazly · 05-25-21, 02:04 PM

Hello!

Doing TMA on a merged track is no different than doing TMA on a single track. However, the merged data can make it a bit more busy/confusing to determine what kind of trends you're seeing in the dot stack (I wish the dots in the dot stack would be correspondingly colored like the LOBs are in the main TMA display).

Unfortunately, no, you cannot move a track from the towed to another array. The way to get around this is to establish a Master track and then when the towed goes away, you may be able to still track your target via spherical/cylindrical or conformal, etc.

When evading, there's two general modes: 1) you just started an attack and the contact is not aware yet and 2) retaliatory fire (of course there are more modes but this is basic guidance). For mode 1), you do not necessarily have to evade flat out yet (use your judgement based on distance to target, etc) and you can do a "smart" evasion instead where you only go fast enough to keep your sensors from washing out (i.e., tactical speed) and/or keep from cavitating, perhaps. If and when the enemy returns fire, you can move to flat-out evasion. With mode 2), you almost always do want to run flat out so you would reel the towed back in right away.

If you're being shot at, the immediate priority is staying alive. When you're done evading, you then re-establish contact and start a new solution. The enemy will likely be in the same situation as you and have to re-do their solution, too. Remember, a solution only tells you the past. Hope this helps!

ET2SN · 05-25-21, 03:42 PM

The basics with using the towed array are confusing, most of the time.

You should be able to tri-angulate a contact based on the towed's displacement from the hull, but it rarely works out that way.

Sonar is NOT the same as the radar in a fighter jet. As Chazly mentioned, TMA builds on past data. You're inputting a guess of distance, course, and speed and watching it over time to see if your guess fits the reality.

As you've already figured out, the ADCAP is supposed to be a pretty good torpedo. Just get it in the right neighborhood and let the fish do the work.

Your attack moves should always include some form of evasion. Think about ways the AI or MP players have spoofed you in the past. My rule of thumb is that small changes can have big impacts at longer ranges. Think about what happens with basic TMA when you change course or speed, the solution the other guy had on you just went out the window (aside from assuming your base position). The kicker is that they won't know you made some changes until at least six minutes later.

05-25-21, 01:51 AM	#1
kickswitch Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	TMA - Towed array question - gameplay Hi, Was wondering how I maintain a solution on a contact when I retrieve my towed array - I read somewhere, not sure where that when a sub is about to launch they retrieve the towed array before firing for obvious reasons. So that's the question basically. I'm guessing it has something to do with merging the contact trackers spherical w/ Towed but if someone could please enlighten me? Cheers, Kick

05-25-21, 03:25 AM	#2
kickswitch Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Question Does anyone know of any guides written that detail such information as - how to work a merged contact with the towed array and spherical on the TMA display? Thanks Last edited by kickswitch; 05-25-21 at 03:43 AM.

05-25-21, 04:15 AM	#3
Stewy1 Girt by Sea Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Red Route 1 Posts: 364 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 34	Hi Kickswitch, If I reel in my TA before firing, and don't have the target on the other sonars, I'm basically assuming the solution is good enough for a couple of minutes to put the torps in the right spot and then their seekers can take over for the kill. So, I think there's a degree of speculation in it, but I think there is speculation for just about every shot (sonar washes out due to ownship evasion speed, target evades, torps 'block out' the target's noise on sonar, etc.) I've not heard how to put a TA track onto another sonar (so you can reel in the TA) - not sure it can be done?? Just my 2c - happy to be corrected Stew __________________ "This officer has used my ship as his den of iniquity and my wardroom to carry him from bar to bar."

05-25-21, 04:29 AM	#4
kickswitch Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Makes sense Hi Stewey, now I think about that that does make a lot of sense - the solution is put in the torpedo does the rest (hopefully) thanks mate. I'm thinking that by retrieving the towed array that would be for when you go defensive with an incoming torpedo for evasion.

05-25-21, 02:04 PM	#5
FPSchazly Good Hunting! Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Maryland Posts: 771 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 1	Hello! Doing TMA on a merged track is no different than doing TMA on a single track. However, the merged data can make it a bit more busy/confusing to determine what kind of trends you're seeing in the dot stack (I wish the dots in the dot stack would be correspondingly colored like the LOBs are in the main TMA display). Unfortunately, no, you cannot move a track from the towed to another array. The way to get around this is to establish a Master track and then when the towed goes away, you may be able to still track your target via spherical/cylindrical or conformal, etc. When evading, there's two general modes: 1) you just started an attack and the contact is not aware yet and 2) retaliatory fire (of course there are more modes but this is basic guidance). For mode 1), you do not necessarily have to evade flat out yet (use your judgement based on distance to target, etc) and you can do a "smart" evasion instead where you only go fast enough to keep your sensors from washing out (i.e., tactical speed) and/or keep from cavitating, perhaps. If and when the enemy returns fire, you can move to flat-out evasion. With mode 2), you almost always do want to run flat out so you would reel the towed back in right away. If you're being shot at, the immediate priority is staying alive. When you're done evading, you then re-establish contact and start a new solution. The enemy will likely be in the same situation as you and have to re-do their solution, too. Remember, a solution only tells you the past. Hope this helps! __________________ Your friendly neighborhood modern submarine YouTuber. My videos: Exclusive Look at Modern Naval Warfare! Dangerous Waters Liu Doctrine (LwAmi Learn to play Dangerous Waters

05-25-21, 03:42 PM	#6
ET2SN ET2/SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,547 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	The basics with using the towed array are confusing, most of the time. You should be able to tri-angulate a contact based on the towed's displacement from the hull, but it rarely works out that way. Sonar is NOT the same as the radar in a fighter jet. As Chazly mentioned, TMA builds on past data. You're inputting a guess of distance, course, and speed and watching it over time to see if your guess fits the reality. As you've already figured out, the ADCAP is supposed to be a pretty good torpedo. Just get it in the right neighborhood and let the fish do the work. Your attack moves should always include some form of evasion. Think about ways the AI or MP players have spoofed you in the past. My rule of thumb is that small changes can have big impacts at longer ranges. Think about what happens with basic TMA when you change course or speed, the solution the other guy had on you just went out the window (aside from assuming your base position). The kicker is that they won't know you made some changes until at least six minutes later.