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12-07-17, 08:47 AM | #1 | |
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HMS Queen Elizabeth: Royals attend aircraft carrier ceremony
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I'm wondering how we will manage to run her and her sister ship
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12-07-17, 01:08 PM | #2 | |
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12-07-17, 01:26 PM | #3 |
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This ship will be ready when it is time to be ... even when God is four days late He is still on time.
She was made to keep the peace, but she will be the prize of no other country than the UK.
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12-07-17, 02:21 PM | #4 |
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12-07-17, 02:43 PM | #5 |
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12-08-17, 06:42 AM | #6 |
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I'm guessing the actual manes given to each will help them imensely in avoiding austerity cuts in the future.
Politics can be a bit fickle at times.
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12-08-17, 09:38 AM | #7 |
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There's always Go Fund Me, Kickstarter, or Kiva.
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12-09-17, 04:35 PM | #8 | |
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---- I do not see the UK being able to field a ground army in a ground war anywhere anymore that would need this carrier's still non-existing air force covering it. And with these small number of available units I wonder in howfar this carrier can be protected against a detemrined enemy when outting it ointo a position where its air force would be of use. This is a ship for parades, and police actions against some third world militia - not for war against an equal enemy. The money should have gone into submarines, and into better financial conditions for troops, hiring more warriors in numbers, and equipping them with standard weaponry. Paying a carrier and F35s to mess around with goat shepards in the ME and in Africa, but not beign able to reliably secure borders in Europe and to deter Russia from becoming ambitioned in the Baltic. Realpolitik a la Monthy Python. Plem-Plem, if you ask me. Ga-ga. From beyond the river Jordan - we have many ways in German to describe such idiotic priorities. I think sometimes Britain still suffers form the loss of its empire and denies reality. Well, in that it has France as a close comrade. Waste of military funds that were better used in other military needs. The time of carriers is over in wars between equal enemies. The maintenance of this ship and its future air fleet probaly will consume even more funds from other branches of the military that will suffer even more, therefore. Its a bit as if you play soccer with a team of five only, because you hire Ronaldo and he consumes all payxments and leaves to no space to pay the other six guys. You now have Ronaldo, fine. And a whole football field to cover - with not even half as many players as would be needed. Numbers matter.
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12-09-17, 01:19 PM | #9 | |
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Payload becomes important if you intend to use your carrier in something other than pounding third world countries or showing flag. More payload the aircraft can launch with, less compromises have to be made with fuel and weapons to be carried. Also if you do not use all your weapons there is issue of bring back capability: can you land with your precious missiles or do you have dump them into sea before landing? This issue is not limited to any specific carrier type but is amplified when you do not have arrested landing option available.
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I personally see decision to go ahead with STOVL design instead of STOBAR or CATOBAR as "penny wise pound foolish". Granted, you save money now but that that comes at expense of operational capability and flexibility. You are tied into single fighter aircraft (F-35), single cargo aircraft (V-22) and helicopters. If you end up needing attack or air superiority aircraft with higher performance than F-35 then you have no fall back option. You can't utilize off-the-self solutions which maybe available from U.S. or France but have to devise your own STOVL solution. Whether that is possible or practical within your self imposed payload limits is unknown at present time.
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