[WIP] - SH3Weather Update 1.5 - Page 3

Skweetis · 01-05-07, 09:48 PM

Odd thing for me, is I have logged more hours in SH3 than my wife would like, and have never experienced the sinking bug. I've had corrupted saves, but never a sinking problem on load...

I'd really like to figure it out though, because I don't like leaving things unsolved. I'm a software tech, and these kinda things eat away at me... hehe

theluckyone17 · 01-05-07, 09:57 PM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=103234
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96357
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ved+game+crash
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ved+game+crash
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ive+saved+game

There's some info there, but not much.

At this point, I'm happy with a fix if the problem occurs... I'd be happier with knowing how to prevent it, but if I can rescue a corrupted save game file, I'll be happy enough. I think I'm going to keep playing around with some fresh saved games and the .mis files, to see if I can keep replicating this bug.

I've got a copy or three of Memtest86 around here... I might run it through multiple PC-Check runs over the weekend, too. I suppose you could call me a "Jack of All Trades" computer technician, since I work for a fairly large company providing general support (with a really bad name, I might add, which is why that description's the most you're going to get out of me ;op ).

Samwolf: Oddly enough, that Crew_Career_00.cfg is different than the patrol cfg and the Crew_Config_<uboat type_#>.cfg. The crew_career cfg has the same crew names and positions as the ubout type cfg, but it has more stuff added to each crewmember... mostly variables that I assume are related to types of qualifications and promotions.

Skweetis · 01-05-07, 10:00 PM

Cheers again Lucky for all your help, I really appreciate it!

Once my GWX download is done, Im going to test the hell out of this tonight.

Hopefully we can crack this....

EDIT: My main concern is that the problem seems to occur with your saves when certain values are written to the [Mission] Section in the .mis files. I'd like to find out what values are being created in those files that are conflicting with your saved games, so I can eliminate them and prevent them from causing problems for other users. It has to be a combination of something...

Thanks,

James

irish1958 · 01-05-07, 11:28 PM

I can't be much help. In almost 2 years of play, I have never had a problem with a save; and I have never had a problem with SH3 weather.

dize · 01-06-07, 08:30 AM

how about giving us a dl link?

Skweetis · 01-06-07, 01:20 PM

HI Dize,

If you read at the beginning of the thread, it isn't available yet, I haven't finished updating the program and testing. Im just letting people know that Im back working on it, getting information on existing issues, collecting suggestions and giving all a headsup as to what will be changed when the new version is ready.

Hense the [WIP] in the subject line... Work In Progress.

Thanks for your enthusiasm though. When it is finished and a d/l is available I will let everyone know.

Cheers,

James

irish1958 · 01-06-07, 02:17 PM

Hay Sweatis, Welcome back and congratulations on your new addition. Your program updates the campaign files (.rnd, .lnd and .scr0 There is a thread about changing these files to reduce the possibility of having several weeks of bad weather. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96710 When your program changes these files, I think it removes these modifications, and reverts the random number to 1, instead of leaving it at 2. Is there any way to use your program without loosing these changes?

Skweetis · 01-06-07, 03:06 PM

Hi Irish

Unfortunately, no. However, in my revisions, I may increase cloud rand to 2 for some seasons. all the weather settings that get written to those campaign files are generated by a moderately complex algorithim based on what month and what season the patrol is started in. This algorithim was created using weather data compiled by a few helpful forum members to get as balanced and realistic weather value given the limited variables we have to work with.

Based on my own testing with the currently released version, there are a few tweaks I would like to make to this algorithm to generate more balanced weather.

Hopefully you and other users will be pleased with the results.

Cheers,

James

lurker_hlb3 · 01-06-07, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theluckyone17

Alrighty

.

Continued research: It's definitely the campaign files. I've got the original campaign files saved, and the new files that work. If I copy the original campaign files over the working copy, SH3 bugs out. Copy the working files back, and SH3 works perfectly fine.

I diff'd/compared the campaign files, and here are the results:
Corrupted Campaign_LND.mis:
Line 11: Fog=0
Line 17: WindHeading=193
Line 18: WindSpeed=0

Working Campaign_LND.mis:
Line 11: Fog=3
Line 17: WindHeading=4
Line 18: WindSpeed=6

Corrupted Campaign_RND.mis:
Line 11: Fog=0
Line 17: WindHeading=193
Line 18: WindSpeed=0

Working Campaign_RND.mis:
Line 11: Fog=3
Line 17: WindHeading=4
Line 18: WindSpeed=6

Corrupted Campaign_SCR.mis:
Line 11: Fog=0
Line 17: WindHeading=193
Line 18: WindSpeed=0

Working Campaign_SCR.mis:
Line 11: Fog=3
Line 17: WindHeading=4
Line 18: WindSpeed=6

Edit: Corrected file names.

I've found the "cause" of the CRASH DIVE problem.

If "WindSpeed" is = to "0"

It looks like the SH3 Game engine can't deal with 0 windspeed.

Have tested this a number of times. As long as windspeed is 1 or greater it works fine.

Skweetis · 01-06-07, 04:27 PM

Hey Lurker,

Can I get some more information on this issue from you? When I set WINDSPEED to 0 in my campaign files, and load saved game which I created with that value, I do not get the Crash Dive bug.

Specifically,when you created the save file that produces the problem:

-Were you submerged or surfaced?
-Were there other vessels around?
-Any damage to your uboot?
-Does this dive happen immediately upon load, or after you perform a crash dive?
-What mods do you have enabled, and what versions are they?
-Are you using SH3 Commander, if so what version?
-Which version of SH3Weather are you using (1.00, 1.01 and 1.02 are the only that were ever released.)

Thank you for any information you can provide, the more I have, the more likely I am to be able to reproduce the problem. If I can reproduce it here, then I stand a better chance of figuring out what causes it.

Thanks,

James

Corsair · 01-06-07, 05:57 PM

Can't be of any help either as I am using SH3 Weather with my NYGM install and never encountered a problem.
A big thks from a satisfied user, looking forward to next version...

theluckyone17 · 01-06-07, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skweetis

Hey Lurker,

Can I get some more information on this issue from you? When I set WINDSPEED to 0 in my campaign files, and load saved game which I created with that value, I do not get the Crash Dive bug.

Specifically,when you created the save file that produces the problem:

-Were you submerged or surfaced?
-Were there other vessels around?
-Any damage to your uboot?
-Does this dive happen immediately upon load, or after you perform a crash dive?
-What mods do you have enabled, and what versions are they?
-Are you using SH3 Commander, if so what version?
-Which version of SH3Weather are you using (1.00, 1.01 and 1.02 are the only that were ever released.)

Thank you for any information you can provide, the more I have, the more likely I am to be able to reproduce the problem. If I can reproduce it here, then I stand a better chance of figuring out what causes it.

Thanks,

James

Ok... this bug has irritated me more than I'm willing to admit:
-Were you submerged or surfaced?
Surfaced

-Were there other vessels around?
Nope

-Any damage to your uboot?
Nope

-Does this dive happen immediately upon load, or after you perform a crash dive?
Immediately.

-What mods do you have enabled, and what versions are they?
See my post above. (Happened back when I had NYGM, too)

-Are you using SH3 Commander, if so what version?
2.7 (Happened with 2.6, too).

-Which version of SH3Weather are you using (1.00, 1.01 and 1.02 are the only that were ever released.)
1.02

I could be wrong about this, too, but I want to say every time I've ran across the problem, it's been the first save after the start of a patrol.

lurker_hlb3 · 01-06-07, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theluckyone17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skweetis

Hey Lurker,

Can I get some more information on this issue from you? When I set WINDSPEED to 0 in my campaign files, and load saved game which I created with that value, I do not get the Crash Dive bug.

Specifically,when you created the save file that produces the problem:

-Were you submerged or surfaced?
-Were there other vessels around?
-Any damage to your uboot?
-Does this dive happen immediately upon load, or after you perform a crash dive?
-What mods do you have enabled, and what versions are they?
-Are you using SH3 Commander, if so what version?
-Which version of SH3Weather are you using (1.00, 1.01 and 1.02 are the only that were ever released.)

Thank you for any information you can provide, the more I have, the more likely I am to be able to reproduce the problem. If I can reproduce it here, then I stand a better chance of figuring out what causes it.

Thanks,

James

Ok... this bug has irritated me more than I'm willing to admit:
-Were you submerged or surfaced?
Surfaced

-Were there other vessels around?
Nope

-Any damage to your uboot?
Nope

-Does this dive happen immediately upon load, or after you perform a crash dive?
Immediately.

-What mods do you have enabled, and what versions are they?
See my post above. (Happened back when I had NYGM, too)

-Are you using SH3 Commander, if so what version?
2.7 (Happened with 2.6, too).

-Which version of SH3Weather are you using (1.00, 1.01 and 1.02 are the only that were ever released.)
1.02

I could be wrong about this, too, but I want to say every time I've ran across the problem, it's been the first save after the start of a patrol.

Same for me

Also the month of the campaign was set to Oct. for the Type XXI and Nov for the Type IX

also

I did some other testing an noted that if the month of Oct. / Nov. was selected that the line "WindRand=" is being removed from all three campaign files. All other months appear to work correctly

Skweetis · 01-06-07, 09:55 PM

Awesome catch Lurker!!!!!

I looked through the code, and lo-and-behold, missing from the Autumn season (which in the atlantic algorithm is October and November) was a typo for the Windrand variable name (was misspelled as Winrand)...

This would cause the module that writes to the campaign files to remove it when those month's were selected, since essentially the value it expected did not exist!

Lucky:.... could you confirm or deny if the months you saved where you get the problem are either Oct or Nov? and tell me if you have a WindRand= entry in your campaign file? It may be that having WINDSPEED=0 and no WINDRAND= may be gumming up the works...

I have since corrected this for the upcoming release... my apologies for the chaos this may have caused....

Big catch Lurker, pat yourself on the back!

Cheers and thanks,

James

lurker_hlb3 · 01-06-07, 10:19 PM

I was using "User Define Weather", I think this "Crash Dive" problem is a problem in "core" SH3, please note that WindRand= was present when I saw the problem. I would recommend that when you generate the WINDSPEED values make sure it's 1 or greater

01-05-07, 09:48 PM	#31
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Odd thing for me, is I have logged more hours in SH3 than my wife would like, and have never experienced the sinking bug. I've had corrupted saves, but never a sinking problem on load... I'd really like to figure it out though, because I don't like leaving things unsolved. I'm a software tech, and these kinda things eat away at me... hehe __________________ "Is the glass half-empty? Or half-full? Either way, when you're thirsty, there's water to be had in that glass." - Neal Stevens

01-05-07, 09:57 PM	#32
theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=103234 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96357 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ved+game+crash http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ved+game+crash http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ive+saved+game There's some info there, but not much. At this point, I'm happy with a fix if the problem occurs... I'd be happier with knowing how to prevent it, but if I can rescue a corrupted save game file, I'll be happy enough. I think I'm going to keep playing around with some fresh saved games and the .mis files, to see if I can keep replicating this bug. I've got a copy or three of Memtest86 around here... I might run it through multiple PC-Check runs over the weekend, too. I suppose you could call me a "Jack of All Trades" computer technician, since I work for a fairly large company providing general support (with a really bad name, I might add, which is why that description's the most you're going to get out of me ;op ). Samwolf: Oddly enough, that Crew_Career_00.cfg is different than the patrol cfg and the Crew_Config_<uboat type_#>.cfg. The crew_career cfg has the same crew names and positions as the ubout type cfg, but it has more stuff added to each crewmember... mostly variables that I assume are related to types of qualifications and promotions. Last edited by theluckyone17; 01-05-07 at 10:14 PM.

01-05-07, 10:00 PM	#33
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Cheers again Lucky for all your help, I really appreciate it! Once my GWX download is done, Im going to test the hell out of this tonight. Hopefully we can crack this.... EDIT: My main concern is that the problem seems to occur with your saves when certain values are written to the [Mission] Section in the .mis files. I'd like to find out what values are being created in those files that are conflicting with your saved games, so I can eliminate them and prevent them from causing problems for other users. It has to be a combination of something... Thanks, James __________________ "Is the glass half-empty? Or half-full? Either way, when you're thirsty, there's water to be had in that glass." - Neal Stevens

01-05-07, 11:28 PM	#34
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	saves I can't be much help. In almost 2 years of play, I have never had a problem with a save; and I have never had a problem with SH3 weather. __________________ Irish1958

01-06-07, 08:30 AM	#35
dize Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: hamburg Posts: 122 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	how about giving us a dl link? __________________

01-06-07, 01:20 PM	#36
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	HI Dize, If you read at the beginning of the thread, it isn't available yet, I haven't finished updating the program and testing. Im just letting people know that Im back working on it, getting information on existing issues, collecting suggestions and giving all a headsup as to what will be changed when the new version is ready. Hense the [WIP] in the subject line... Work In Progress. Thanks for your enthusiasm though. When it is finished and a d/l is available I will let everyone know. Cheers, James __________________ "Is the glass half-empty? Or half-full? Either way, when you're thirsty, there's water to be had in that glass." - Neal Stevens

01-06-07, 02:17 PM	#37
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	Changes Hay Sweatis, Welcome back and congratulations on your new addition. Your program updates the campaign files (.rnd, .lnd and .scr0 There is a thread about changing these files to reduce the possibility of having several weeks of bad weather. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96710 When your program changes these files, I think it removes these modifications, and reverts the random number to 1, instead of leaving it at 2. Is there any way to use your program without loosing these changes? __________________ Irish1958

01-06-07, 03:06 PM	#38
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Hi Irish Unfortunately, no. However, in my revisions, I may increase cloud rand to 2 for some seasons. all the weather settings that get written to those campaign files are generated by a moderately complex algorithim based on what month and what season the patrol is started in. This algorithim was created using weather data compiled by a few helpful forum members to get as balanced and realistic weather value given the limited variables we have to work with. Based on my own testing with the currently released version, there are a few tweaks I would like to make to this algorithm to generate more balanced weather. Hopefully you and other users will be pleased with the results. Cheers, James __________________ "Is the glass half-empty? Or half-full? Either way, when you're thirsty, there's water to be had in that glass." - Neal Stevens

01-06-07, 04:27 PM	#40
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Hey Lurker, Can I get some more information on this issue from you? When I set WINDSPEED to 0 in my campaign files, and load saved game which I created with that value, I do not get the Crash Dive bug. Specifically,when you created the save file that produces the problem: -Were you submerged or surfaced? -Were there other vessels around? -Any damage to your uboot? -Does this dive happen immediately upon load, or after you perform a crash dive? -What mods do you have enabled, and what versions are they? -Are you using SH3 Commander, if so what version? -Which version of SH3Weather are you using (1.00, 1.01 and 1.02 are the only that were ever released.) Thank you for any information you can provide, the more I have, the more likely I am to be able to reproduce the problem. If I can reproduce it here, then I stand a better chance of figuring out what causes it. Thanks, James __________________ "Is the glass half-empty? Or half-full? Either way, when you're thirsty, there's water to be had in that glass." - Neal Stevens

01-06-07, 05:57 PM	#41
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Can't be of any help either as I am using SH3 Weather with my NYGM install and never encountered a problem. A big thks from a satisfied user, looking forward to next version... __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

01-06-07, 09:55 PM	#44
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Awesome catch Lurker!!!!! I looked through the code, and lo-and-behold, missing from the Autumn season (which in the atlantic algorithm is October and November) was a typo for the Windrand variable name (was misspelled as Winrand)... This would cause the module that writes to the campaign files to remove it when those month's were selected, since essentially the value it expected did not exist! Lucky:.... could you confirm or deny if the months you saved where you get the problem are either Oct or Nov? and tell me if you have a WindRand= entry in your campaign file? It may be that having WINDSPEED=0 and no WINDRAND= may be gumming up the works... I have since corrected this for the upcoming release... my apologies for the chaos this may have caused.... Big catch Lurker, pat yourself on the back! Cheers and thanks, James __________________ "Is the glass half-empty? Or half-full? Either way, when you're thirsty, there's water to be had in that glass." - Neal Stevens

01-06-07, 10:19 PM	#45
lurker_hlb3 Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Calif Posts: 2,290 Downloads: 187 Uploads: 12	I was using "User Define Weather", I think this "Crash Dive" problem is a problem in "core" SH3, please note that WindRand= was present when I saw the problem. I would recommend that when you generate the WINDSPEED values make sure it's 1 or greater