Things I learned from watching U-571 - Page 5

Marko · 06-07-06, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by U-Bones

Hollywood does a horrible job of representing the truth, much less Americans and their actual values and positions. As an American citizen who has proudly served my country, I can say they do NOT speak for me on anything of importance.

I really wonder who really representing the truth nowdays.

EkimRis · 06-07-06, 10:42 AM

I was watching U 571 on TV when I read this :rotfl:

FAdmiral · 06-07-06, 04:30 PM

Aside from all the other things mentioned here, my main question right
after I saw the movie for the first time is:
HOW did the milk cow boat identify the sub it saw in the periscope
in the driving rain as American when it fooled the Germans in U-571
only yards away on the surface???

End of story
JIM

Rose · 06-07-06, 04:39 PM

Maybe they intercepted a radio report.... or something...

VoodooPriest · 06-07-06, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

Heck most Japanese pilots removed the radios to save weight and space.

Not only that, many of them even flew without their parachutes...

FAdmiral · 06-07-06, 04:51 PM

NOPE, radio silence was key to American success.....
It would have given them away immediately

JIM

Subnuts · 06-07-06, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FAdmiral

NOPE, radio silence was key to American success.....
It would have given them away immediately

JIM

The German supply boat had just blown up an oil tanker with one of it's atomic torpedoes, which tore open a rift in time and space, launching them into the Year 2000, where the captain read the script. The U-boat then blew up another ship with it's atomic torpedoes, and was hurled back in time to 1942.

FAdmiral · 06-07-06, 08:14 PM

Don't stop with that storyline now, it would make a good sequel.

JIM

Rose · 06-07-06, 09:11 PM

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I love these forums

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bookworm_020 · 06-07-06, 10:00 PM

The copy of U-571 that I own (don't worry it's a cheap thai knock off) has an extra which one of the men who retrieved the enigma machine and code books from the U-110 tells the story behind the capture.

I also read the US need to capture their own engima machine as the British wouldn't give them the details, despite the US giving them the details of the Japanese codes. Winston Churchill didn't think they would be able to keep it secure. He was right in doing so. The Germans had cracked the american radio codes and had used the information to help Rommel in North Africa.

This is why the US went after the U-505. This is also listed in the credits of the movie, along with the three previous British captures.

For the record, I think the moive is light weight fluff and doesn't do justice to anyone on either side. Das Boot on the otherhand, is far more engaging

Darth Brooks · 06-07-06, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAdmiral

Aside from all the other things mentioned here, my main question right
after I saw the movie for the first time is:
HOW did the milk cow boat identify the sub it saw in the periscope
in the driving rain as American when it fooled the Germans in U-571
only yards away on the surface???

End of story
JIM

Good Question. I assumed that they guessed there was one too many subs. But who was german and who wasn't would have been a tough read through the periscope. Maybe they just fired at the ship with the guys holding guns.

Ducimus · 06-07-06, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAdmiral

Aside from all the other things mentioned here, my main question right
after I saw the movie for the first time is:
HOW did the milk cow boat identify the sub it saw in the periscope
in the driving rain as American when it fooled the Germans in U-571
only yards away on the surface???

End of story
JIM

I thought about that, and the only explanation i could logically think of (assuming they could see through the periscope at all), is the US navy uniforms being worn by deck personnel. Not to mention that Black men weren't in the Kreigsmarine. (in reference to the stewert marking the german prisoners with chaulk.)

But still.... how did they see all that, at what was probably at least 1500-2000 meters away, at night, in a driving rain, through a periscope?

One thing that i kept thinking of, was the depth gauge was wrong.

The Noob · 06-08-06, 05:51 AM

They seen the Firefight between the Crew of U-571 and the Americans, and manuvered into position to Fire. This took some time. Then they blew up the American Boat.

Damn Easy!

The Noob · 06-08-06, 06:24 AM

Now this is Already at the Subsim Start Page...

I can't get why anyone Hates U-571.

It'a MOVIE Goddamnit! Not a Documenation or Such.

Puster Bill · 06-08-06, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

I also read the US need to capture their own engima machine as the British wouldn't give them the details, despite the US giving them the details of the Japanese codes. Winston Churchill didn't think they would be able to keep it secure. He was right in doing so. The Germans had cracked the american radio codes and had used the information to help Rommel in North Africa.

Kind of true, at the beginning of the war, and totally false by 1943 or so. In fact, the US built better and faster bombes for cracking Enigma than the British did, and the American servicemen who ran the bombes (both CANTAB and American ones) took pride that they could turn around the settings much faster than the British ladies (The British, due to a manpower shortage, used women to run their bombes).

Certainly, by the time the US captured U-505 (and it's Enigma machine) in 1944 the US and UK had an extremely close SIGINT relationship.

By the way, that relationship continues to this very day.

/ex-dittybopper

06-07-06, 04:30 PM	#63
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Aside from all the other things mentioned here, my main question right after I saw the movie for the first time is: HOW did the milk cow boat identify the sub it saw in the periscope in the driving rain as American when it fooled the Germans in U-571 only yards away on the surface??? End of story JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org

06-07-06, 04:51 PM	#66
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	NOPE, radio silence was key to American success..... It would have given them away immediately JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org

06-07-06, 08:14 PM	#68
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Don't stop with that storyline now, it would make a good sequel. JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************** www.fairtax.org

06-07-06, 10:00 PM	#70
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The copy of U-571 that I own (don't worry it's a cheap thai knock off) has an extra which one of the men who retrieved the enigma machine and code books from the U-110 tells the story behind the capture. I also read the US need to capture their own engima machine as the British wouldn't give them the details, despite the US giving them the details of the Japanese codes. Winston Churchill didn't think they would be able to keep it secure. He was right in doing so. The Germans had cracked the american radio codes and had used the information to help Rommel in North Africa. This is why the US went after the U-505. This is also listed in the credits of the movie, along with the three previous British captures. For the record, I think the moive is light weight fluff and doesn't do justice to anyone on either side. Das Boot on the otherhand, is far more engaging __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

06-07-06, 10:42 AM	#62
EkimRis Swabbie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 11 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I was watching U 571 on TV when I read this :rotfl:

06-07-06, 04:39 PM	#64
Rose Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 966 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Maybe they intercepted a radio report.... or something...

06-07-06, 09:11 PM	#69
Rose Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 966 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I love these forums .

06-08-06, 05:51 AM	#73
The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They seen the Firefight between the Crew of U-571 and the Americans, and manuvered into position to Fire. This took some time. Then they blew up the American Boat. Damn Easy!

06-08-06, 06:24 AM	#74
The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Now this is Already at the Subsim Start Page... I can't get why anyone Hates U-571. It'a MOVIE Goddamnit! Not a Documenation or Such.