[REL] Thomsen's Ships V3.1 is out! All credits to H.SIE (10/12/2008)

[Sag75]

I see..

but I meant:

we have eng_power 10 and mass 1.000 (ratio 1:100)?

okay, let have eng_power 100 and mass 100.000! (ratio 1:1000). So we will have nice turns and slow accelerations/decelerations.

Get the mass higher produce other effects than get lower the power.

In fact, my extra massive U-boat was able to stop after 4,5km after I stopped the engines! If I attempt to reduce the power, I'm not able to have this such of stopping length!!

[h.sie]

Hi Sag,

interesting results. but what about underwater behaviour of the boat with a 10-fold mass and displacement? what happens when it has a leckage and water comes in? is the boat still able to surface? are 10 minutes to submerge realistic? it's a little bit long, i think.....i'm afraid of the side-effects, especially for uboats.

at a first glance, reducing eng_power to 10-20% of it's original value, as PT does, seems okay for me. perhaps, increasing mass/displacement is equiavalent to that? but there still remains the behaviour while zig-zagging (see Mikhayls posts). i think there has to be some research to see, how real ships behave in that situation and what is the best way: decreasing eng_power or increasing mass/displacement. we have plenty of time for that.

[h.sie]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

Yes, 20% of engine power is what we need, and I had it planned for two weeks already. Just don't have the time to do it hand ship by ship.

in 2 weeks my program is ready (with 80% propability) and can do the job for all ships with one mouseclick. one only has to choose the Sea-Folder of SH3 and the result will be a JSGME-ready folder-structure with the modificated sim-files. there can be made modification rules for each value in unit_Ship, depending on the UnitType (0=Patrol. 7=Destroyer Escort 103 = Tanker or something like that). contact me, if you don't want to make the changes by hand. and don't be afraid: it's still ThomsensShips-Mod. I'm only interested in a realistic game. Besides that, I will do own researches......

[asanovic7]

I read through that supertramp thread, thomsen.. I am writting an answer here because.. It's easier here..
Say, you couldn't pick some "wil country like tibet or Australia"? But america...
Also, I read deepiron's advices.. And other..
LOL, thomsen, I really didn't know you are such a romantic adventuristic soul

If you have a visa, 6 months whatever, find a job in usa.. and you are good.. FOR A tourist.. I don't know how is it right now, but my friend went there a year ago, been for 4-5 months, worked there, used a flat with 5 others, earned enuf money for sightseeing and had a fun.. From his telling, it is not so scary.. But then again he went there with 1-2 people..
Canada must be even easier than usa.. If you can get in.. and stay in..
BUT how come you can move from a place like BRASIL, DAMMIT, to a place like Canada!?!? Soccer left out for snooker!?!? Who kidnapped the real thomsen? There must have been one? aliens?
:rotfl: It's not like I don't like Canada(blame canada for everything, some would say).. But how can you go from sunny atmosphere to snow and police horsemen??
It's Canada you are moving into.. :rotfl:

You, thomsen, must be on drugs.. :rotfl:

And you say stufff like "People work to earn money to pay bills, and have children to perpetuate the mankind. In my head this is freaking redundant!"? And go to Canada??
:rotfl:
Damn, man, go to madagascar or south africa or some other wil country if you are talking stuff like that..
RDP will shurely tell you that moving to canada is not a wise idea :rotfl:

P.S. Wizardmatt! Aston Villa?? More EURO cups than Hajduk, Chelsea and Arsenal? Let me see.. 0 1/2 1/2.. Probably, but Hajduk had a bad luck in past to meet Ajax, St.Etienne and PSV in their peaks..
FREEDOOM!!!!!!! )))

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by Sag75

I see..

but I meant:

we have eng_power 10 and mass 1.000 (ratio 1:100)?

okay, let have eng_power 100 and mass 100.000! (ratio 1:1000). So we will have nice turns and slow accelerations/decelerations.

Get the mass higher produce other effects than get lower the power.

In fact, my extra massive U-boat was able to stop after 4,5km after I stopped the engines! If I attempt to reduce the power, I'm not able to have this such of stopping length!!

You still don't understand.

The weight of the ship is not important. The important is the power-weith ratio.

Before (GWX) it was 1:1000, and I changed to 1:100, and now you want to make it go back to 1:1000, so basically you would be going back to gwx's patter.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by asanovic7

I read through that supertramp thread, thomsen.. I am writting an answer here because.. It's easier here..
Say, you couldn't pick some "wil country like tibet or Australia"? But america...
Also, I read deepiron's advices.. And other..
LOL, thomsen, I really didn't know you are such a romantic adventuristic soul

If you have a visa, 6 months whatever, find a job in usa.. and you are good.. FOR A tourist.. I don't know how is it right now, but my friend went there a year ago, been for 4-5 months, worked there, used a flat with 5 others, earned enuf money for sightseeing and had a fun.. From his telling, it is not so scary.. But then again he went there with 1-2 people..
Canada must be even easier than usa.. If you can get in.. and stay in..
BUT how come you can move from a place like BRASIL, DAMMIT, to a place like Canada!?!? Soccer left out for snooker!?!? Who kidnapped the real thomsen? There must have been one? aliens?
:rotfl: It's not like I don't like Canada(blame canada for everything, some would say).. But how can you go from sunny atmosphere to snow and police horsemen??
It's Canada you are moving into.. :rotfl:

You, thomsen, must be on drugs.. :rotfl:

And you say stufff like "People work to earn money to pay bills, and have children to perpetuate the mankind. In my head this is freaking redundant!"? And go to Canada??
:rotfl:
Damn, man, go to madagascar or south africa or some other wil country if you are talking stuff like that..
RDP will shurely tell you that moving to canada is not a wise idea :rotfl:

P.S. Wizardmatt! Aston Villa?? More EURO cups than Hajduk, Chelsea and Arsenal? Let me see.. 0 1/2 1/2.. Probably, but Hajduk had a bad luck in past to meet Ajax, St.Etienne and PSV in their peaks..
FREEDOOM!!!!!!! )))

Simple...

I HATE HEAT! I LOVE COLD!
I'm polish decendent... white skin.

I can't stand one more year in this place... I'm literally melting.

I want to live in a place where the hottest day is around 10ºC.

[Sag75]

Originally Posted by h.sie

interesting results. but what about underwater behaviour of the boat with a 10-fold mass and displacement? what happens when it has a leckage and water comes in? is the boat still able to surface? are 10 minutes to submerge realistic? it's a little bit long, i think.....i'm afraid of the side-effects, especially for uboats.

she was an underwater massive thing, too! Anyway, it was only a test to see the mass impact on sailing behaviour. Yes the boat was able to get again on surface, but very slowly, and depth changes were slow too! It's not realistic at all. I rammed a steam cargo: she had some explosions on the deck, but without sinking.

H.sie, thank you for your program, it will be cool!


About PT:
you convinced me, my only point was about ship deceleration when engines are stopped or back full. I guess a massive ship has a better deceleration in SH3 water, instead of keeping mass as it is and lower the engine: a mass increasing changes the mass/water_drag ratio.

PS. do you need cold? meet the Canada: now there are -15°C here where I live!!

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by Sag75

she was an underwater massive thing, too! Anyway, it was only a test to see the mass impact on sailing behaviour. Yes the boat was able to get again on surface, but very slowly, and depth changes were slow too! It's not realistic at all. I rammed a steam cargo: she had some explosions on the deck, but without sinking.

H.sie, thank you for your program, it will be cool!


About PT:
you convinced me, my only point was about ship deceleration when engines are stopped or back full. I guess a massive ship has a better deceleration in SH3 water, instead of keeping mass as it is and lower the engine: a mass increasing changes the mass/water_drag ratio.

PS. do you need cold? meet the Canada: now there are -15°C here where I live!!

-15????

SWEET!!!

[Sag75]

last Jenuary, for one week, we had -33°C during the night and -29°C during the day!!

the spring normally arrives in May, and usually the summer temperature is below +25°C here in Alberta.

[wizardmatt]

Originally Posted by asanovic7

I read through that supertramp thread, thomsen.. I am writting an answer here because.. It's easier here..
Say, you couldn't pick some "wil country like tibet or Australia"? But america...
Also, I read deepiron's advices.. And other..
LOL, thomsen, I really didn't know you are such a romantic adventuristic soul

If you have a visa, 6 months whatever, find a job in usa.. and you are good.. FOR A tourist.. I don't know how is it right now, but my friend went there a year ago, been for 4-5 months, worked there, used a flat with 5 others, earned enuf money for sightseeing and had a fun.. From his telling, it is not so scary.. But then again he went there with 1-2 people..
Canada must be even easier than usa.. If you can get in.. and stay in..
BUT how come you can move from a place like BRASIL, DAMMIT, to a place like Canada!?!? Soccer left out for snooker!?!? Who kidnapped the real thomsen? There must have been one? aliens?
:rotfl: It's not like I don't like Canada(blame canada for everything, some would say).. But how can you go from sunny atmosphere to snow and police horsemen??
It's Canada you are moving into.. :rotfl:

You, thomsen, must be on drugs.. :rotfl:

And you say stufff like "People work to earn money to pay bills, and have children to perpetuate the mankind. In my head this is freaking redundant!"? And go to Canada??
:rotfl:
Damn, man, go to madagascar or south africa or some other wil country if you are talking stuff like that..
RDP will shurely tell you that moving to canada is not a wise idea :rotfl:

P.S. Wizardmatt! Aston Villa?? More EURO cups than Hajduk, Chelsea and Arsenal? Let me see.. 0 1/2 1/2.. Probably, but Hajduk had a bad luck in past to meet Ajax, St.Etienne and PSV in their peaks..
FREEDOOM!!!!!!! )))

"Freedoom"? Free-doom. hmmmm........is that a new word? :p :rotfl:

[Sag75]

for Asanovic7: there are not police horsemen here... The Mounted Police is in high-tech vehicles nowdays! Canada offers a very beutifull nature, have you never been on canadian Rocky Mountains? in Ontario? Nova Scotia? Newfoundland?? The canadian cities are quiet, they haven't at all that such of crime that you can see in US cities!! Are you scared by extreme cold? here you have all goods to fight it!

for PT: from Italy it's pretty easy enjoy a work into Canada by Canadian Embassy. I don't know from the Brazil, but you can get informations about. Just contact your Canadian Embassy in your Country! Or, try in northern Europe.. Norway? Sveden? They can speak english very well..

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Thanks for all the info! I'm planning on going next year.

How about I pay you a visit? :hmm:

Canada is a beautiful Country!
I live roughly 2 hours south of Canada and have been there many times.
And I have found the Canadians to be just as friendly as
the people around my home area.

It just depends on what part of the U.S.A. you go to that you see
the most common portrait that is concieved by most of the World.

Stay out of the Biggest Cities?
And if you have an accent?

You'd be over run with Women,
Everybody would want to talk to you,
and you'd be hard pressed to pay for a drink!!

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by privateer

Canada is a beautiful Country!

Originally Posted by privateer

It just depends on what part of the U.S.A. you go to that you see
the most common portrait that is concieved by most of the World.

Stay out of the Biggest Cities?

Hmm. I found Chicago to be very friendly. But maybe that's cos of all the "Irish" people there. :hmm:

Originally Posted by privateer

And if you have an accent?

You'd be over run with Women

Chicago is probably the friendliest Big City I've been to here.
And I have been in them all!

Houston is really cool also!!
Heck!
The Grey Wolves stumbled all over that place and had a GREAT Time!

Most of the Cities in Arizona are really fun and easy going.
Any Major city in Alaska is cool.

And Hawaii?
OMG!
I'd move there in a heart beat!

Some of the Southern States can be a bit 'off'.
If they hear a Northern 'Twang'.

But for the most part?
The U.S.
Just like other Countries?
Is a collection of simple people that have nothing to do
with what the Government of the U.S. carries on
with in other Countries.

Just as Your Government does things that you don't like,
and can't control?

There be us!