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[Nico71]

Let's welcome our new mob member!

[KodiakPA]

I can't wait to give my money to x1 for a quality addon like Seawoves, Truly , most of your stuff doesn't really work together in a unified package. And do you have permission to use Das Boot material whether distributed for free or not?? I don't think you do. I think you all are bitter because someone is coming along with a bit more drive than you all to put together a package of UBI quality parts thay you all had the privilege of altering a bit. YOU DON'T OWN ANY OF IT!! I know you think you do.... but you don't. So stop crying and whining and hissing and pissing about it and grow up. All they have to do is change you precious smoke mod or whatever the hell you came up with from, mind you, UBI-copyrighted material, a little bit and its now theirs. TOUGH TAMALES! I hope they sell a million copies.

<Moderator: My fingers are getting tired>

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[thanos]

Originally Posted by Jace11

And CCIP appears to have been promoted to "moderator"

He is here often enough, that's for sure..

Wonder what his first use of his new "magic" powers might be..

Some anti-germ warfare maybe?

[Type941]

i think noone would have a problem with this if the CD cost like 5-10 euros and EVERY single person whose mod has been included has been contacted, given credit, etc. This didn't have to be a bad thing, yet it turned sour.


Thing that pisses people off is that the bottom line is like this:

I spend time making skin, for instance, it takes from 10 to 20 hours from my experience to make a skin, not to mention research. That's just 1 skin! So imagine the time we spend, for free. Now someone is selling it to make money. comon. something's not right. It may be all kosher legally, but it's just not cool for the community that made these mods in the first place.

As someone said, this thing discourages from making mods. I keep all my mods released with big readme files, notes, etc, and still find 'f7ckers' releasing them under their own name, scum bags, may their sad lives be filled with joy. X1 surely has thought it would pass, but it's very easy to ignore a some forums. There will be people just going to store, buying SH3, and than - buying this Addon as 'recommendation' from salesman.

Idea of having BEST mods nicely packaged is great - but not like this.


Get agreements with Ubisoft, get the people who modded the game, pay them a tiny royalty (or ship them some free hardware or whatever), and do it right. Right now it looks like a bunch of dudes got together on an adventure and are looking to see how much than money they can sucker people out of. They don't seem to have the strength to do it the right way, so it's getting done like this. The fact that modding community in general rarely gets a deserved respect is all too magnified in this particular case.

Like I said - for 5 euros I'd buy it, but I'm not very happy that the people who actually MADE the mods are not seeing a penny from it. That's wrong.

Just my .02c

Originally Posted by Type941

i think noone would have a problem with this if the CD cost like 5-10 euros and EVERY single person whose mod has been included has been contacted, given credit, etc. This didn't have to be a bad thing, yet it turned sour.


Thing that pisses people off is that the bottom line is like this:

I spend time making skin, for instance, it takes from 10 to 20 hours from my experience to make a skin, not to mention research. That's just 1 skin! So imagine the time we spend, for free. Now someone is selling it to make money. comon. something's not right. It may be all kosher legally, but it's just not cool for the community that made these mods in the first place.

As someone said, this thing discourages from making mods. I keep all my mods released with big readme files, notes, etc, and still find 'f7ckers' releasing them under their own name, scum bags, may their sad lives be filled with joy. X1 surely has thought it would pass, but it's very easy to ignore a some forums. There will be people just going to store, buying SH3, and than - buying this Addon as 'recommendation' from salesman.

Idea of having BEST mods nicely packaged is great - but not like this.


Get agreements with Ubisoft, get the people who modded the game, pay them a tiny royalty (or ship them some free hardware or whatever), and do it right. Right now it looks like a bunch of dudes got together on an adventure and are looking to see how much than money they can sucker people out of. They don't seem to have the strength to do it the right way, so it's getting done like this. The fact that modding community in general rarely gets a deserved respect is all too magnified in this particular case.

Like I said - for 5 euros I'd buy it, but I'm not very happy that the people who actually MADE the mods are not seeing a penny from it. That's wrong.

Just my .02c

understood, agreed....BUT: AFAIK X1 has no good retail distribution chain, IMHO most potential sales could be online deals. So again: SPREAD THE WORD! SHOUT OUT!


And let UbiSoft Know that the whole issue p**ses off modders, which means a less attractive expansion pack or SH IV!

[redstorm101]

[quote="deathping---"]I can't wait to give my money to x1 for a quality addon like Seawoves, Truly , most of your stuff doesn't really work together in a unified package. And do you have permission to use Das Boot material whether distributed for free or not?? I don't think you do. I think you all are bitter because someone is coming along with a bit more drive than you all to put together a package of UBI quality parts thay you all had the privilege of altering a bit. YOU DON'T OWN ANY OF IT!! I know you think you do.... but you don't. So stop crying and whining and hissing and pissing about it and grow up. All they have to do is change you precious smoke mod or whatever the hell you came up with from, mind you, UBI-copyrighted material, a little bit and its now theirs. TOUGH TAMALES! I hope they sell a million copies.

<Me again... just editin' away like I have nuthin' else to do>



This person is full of hate.........and I hope they will find a better way to deal with it............I feel sorry for this lost soul.....

redstorm101.....


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[KodiakPA]

Originally Posted by NZ_Wanderer

When the Avon Lady sees that message on the previous page it's gonna be like WW3 broke out and I don't want to be anywhere near the surface

Same thing I thought.

[Wulfmann]

Type941, Good post and with the right attitude that expresses real concerns and reason all in one.

A whole package allowing the common non DLer to enjoy the things we do is not a bad idea. But, I agree that they did not approach this right and what their motives and methods were have yet top be fairly judged.

I hope they can come clean and make a general policy to get agreements or remove any mod they can not get agreements with. Then the mob can go home and get a good nights rest and be ready for their next patrol.

I, BTW, was never calling anyone a Nazi or KKK. I was referring to the fact many good people have been led to believe a mob mentality allowed a less than correct response to things presented to them allowing them to act in a manner less befitting their usual decent behavior. That is how Kristalnacht and Cross burnings take place, by getting usually reasonable people to act in uncommonly unreasonable ways.
That is how many reasonable people have appeared in many postings and that was more troubling to me regarding the community’s heath and future than X-1.

Wulfmann

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Jace11

And CCIP appears to have been promoted to "moderator"

He is here often enough, that's for sure..

Wonder what his first use of his new "magic" powers might be..

Haha, only in the closed mod forum


I'll gladly volunteer for anything else though, I mean I'm certainly here often enough *wink wink Onkel Neal*

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

Type941, Good post and with the right attitude that expresses real concerns and reason all in one.

A whole package allowing the common non DLer to enjoy the things we do is not a bad idea. But, I agree that they did not approach this right and what their motives and methods were have yet top be fairly judged.

I hope they can come clean and make a general policy to get agreements or remove any mod they can not get agreements with. Then the mob can go home and get a good nights rest and be ready for their next patrol.

I, BTW, was never calling anyone a Nazi or KKK. I was referring to the fact many good people have been led to believe a mob mentality allowed a less than correct response to things presented to them allowing them to act in a manner less befitting their usual decent behavior. That is how Kristalnacht and Cross burnings take place, by getting usually reasonable people to act in uncommonly unreasonable ways.
That is how many reasonable people have appeared in many postings and that was more troubling to me regarding the community’s heath and future than X-1.

Wulfmann

Thanks for caring. IMHO the community is perfectly healthy - and will have without any doubt a great future WITHOUT the 'help' of X1...

[Duncan Idaho]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

Please ask people to stop acting like KKK or Nazis!!! LOL. Sorry, I could not resist:rotfl: Just kidding!!!

I am not on any side and it would be with the mod makers if I had to choose. But, all one has to do is look through this thread at all the new ban X-1 signatures to see the frenzied mob mentality. If you wish to justify it, that is your choice, I am trying to let some alarmist know just what they appear to be acting like. If it acts like a duck..........

Wulfmann

Problem is, dude, you are speaking without regard for facts we have learned. You've been told several times to go read other posts on the subject, where you will find hard PROOF of what X1 has done. You, instead, continue your rant without examining the evidence.

You, sir, are a troll, by definition.

You can fix it by reading the other Seewolves/X1 topics here, and learning the truth. Or, you can make us suspect, (as I do), your involvement in X1 itself as a partner. Either way works, just depends on who's side you're REALLY on.

[Observer]

Just for clarity (at page 5 LOL!) since my readme is in post #1 of this thread I state the following unequivocally:

I have NEVER been contacted via any method by any representative of X1 Software.

[Dagger U-539]

Originally Posted by deathping---

I can't wait to give my money to x1 for a quality addon like Seawoves, Truly , most of your stuff doesn't really work together in a unified package. And do you have permission to use Das Boot material whether distributed for free or not?? I don't think you do. I think you all are bitter because someone is coming along with a bit more drive than you all to put together a package of UBI quality parts thay you all had the privilege of altering a bit. YOU DON'T OWN ANY OF IT!! I know you think you do.... but you don't. So stop crying and whining and hissing and pissing about it and grow up. All they have to do is change you precious smoke mod or whatever the hell you came up with from, mind you, UBI-copyrighted material, a little bit and its now theirs. TOUGH TAMALES! I hope they sell a million copies.

<DAMN... I really thought I was done...>

Todays word is- TROLL. change of name but same song and dance. We all know who this is.so those that "found"your mod package can GIVE it away and you won't say anything..correct?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by deathping---

I see an israeli in the grass.

That's not allowed here, mate. You disagree with someone, counter their arguement. Don't start pulling politics into it.

[Observer]

I wonder how Matrix Games would react to the news the "expansion" (I use that term very loosely) they were providing distribution for was based on the work and effort of others not being reimbursed (or consulted) for their labor?

Take away the distribution channel, and "Seewolves" becomes just so many useless coasters.