Scottish Independence? - Page 2

01-11-12, 12:36 PM

Surely the pressing questions on the referendum must be...
Who gets whats left of the North Sea oil/gas
Who gets to pay for Dounreay

Trevally. · 01-11-12, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

One that sets a budget for a new building of, err, let's say £10m.

But then has costs of £414m.

Scotland takes out more than it puts into the pot, so I'm interested to see how long free tuition and prescriptions last.

*Edit - I know that all building costs associated with any government spiral out of control, but over x40 is really funny.

You have been reading to many spin stories by Maggie

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Notice what's missing from the economists' discussion: an argument about whether an independent nation could pay its way. That's partly because, so soon after Salmond's rout, the terms of separation are vague ***8211; how much of the oil revenues would go to Edinburgh; the public debt that Westminster would dump on Holyrood; even what currency it would adopt over the long run. But it's also because those Kelvin MacKenzie-isms about Scotland the Subsidy Junkie are ***8211; shock! ***8211; not wholly true.

Wind turbines in East Renfrewshire: could wind power offer a new economic miracle for Scotland? Photograph: Murdo Macleod

The last set of figures from Holyrood statisticians show that for 2008-9, Scotland provided £1.3bn more in revenue than was spent north of the border. At less than 1% of Scotland's GDP, that's not a huge surplus, and it does include a due share of North Sea revenues. Strip out crude and the deficit goes up sharply, to £10.5bn (or 9% of GDP).
If those were your family's accounts you wouldn't want to be depending on one source of income that yo-yos so much (oil prices hit a record-high in 2008). But beware of double standards: hardly anyone put such objections to chancellor Gordon Brown during the bubble years.

Egan · 01-11-12, 01:41 PM

As one of the apparently few Scots on this site I was going to jot some things down, but I can't be bothered now, to be honest. I'm kind of sick of the frothing nonsense I've seen on the Internet over the last few days from every side of argument. Maybe later if I'm less tired.

So, I'll just go with the Daily Mash Instead...

Independant Scotland Could be exactly the Same.

EDIT: link fixed, I hope.

Osmium Steele · 01-11-12, 02:28 PM

Sure. Be all calm and reasonable why don'tcha?

Jimbuna · 01-11-12, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Will Kratos be king?

OH YES!!

Jimbuna · 01-11-12, 03:30 PM

The best poll returns I have seen are 38% of Scots in favour of independance.

Good luck to them if that is what is eventually decided...but they need to realise they will have to factor in defence costs because there are fewer Scottish regiments than there have been in the past and the RAF and RN are truly British/English.

Add to that they receive far more than they put into the pot and I'm confident the average Scot will realise it is far more beneficial they remain part of the Union.

As much as I dislike Cameron, he is playing a canny game and the final outcome will more than likely be the public humiliation of Alex Salmond.

01-11-12, 04:22 PM

Call me an idiot..........
But didn't Scotland get thier freedom with BraveHeart?

Egan · 01-11-12, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Call me an idiot..........
But didn't Scotland get thier freedom with BraveHeart?

Yes, but then some English Monks invented Buckfast and that did for us.

Garion · 01-11-12, 04:30 PM

Gits

Cheers

Garion

Jimbuna · 01-11-12, 04:55 PM

nikimcbee · 01-11-12, 05:03 PM

So, Jim, as friend of the King (Kratos, not Elvis), would he give you a land grant and make you Lord Buna (or Baron von Neukastle)

? Not sure what titles goes with that?

TLAM Strike · 01-11-12, 06:06 PM

Would this mean that the base at Faslane would be split between England and Scotland à la Sevastopol? With half the fleet going to the RN and the other half to the Scottish Navy?

... what am I saying, the Royal Navy doesn't have anything left to split between anyone!

01-11-12, 06:40 PM

For the new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers, England can have the flight deck, Scotland can have the hanger and Wales can manage the elevators (sorry, lifts). They can switch round on the last day of the month.

More seriously 38% doesn't seem like much but regimes have changed with far less plurality. After digging a bit deeper, seems like the PM might be playing chicken with the issue to embarrass the separatists and polarize their base.

Herr-Berbunch · 01-11-12, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

... what am I saying, the Royal Navy doesn't have anything left to split between anyone!

I seem to recall there are three vessels just of the coast of the Netherlands.

Oh dear!

Osmium Steele · 01-12-12, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Would this mean that the base at Faslane would be split between England and Scotland à la Sevastopol? With half the fleet going to the RN and the other half to the Scottish Navy?

I thought I read yesterday, in the OP article, that an independant Scotland wanted nothing to do with "the nuclear submarines near Glasgow". I'll be darned if I can find it in the article now.

I can see why, that is one narrow transit into that port. Shock trials weren't even that hairy.

01-11-12, 01:41 PM	#18
Egan Admiral Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	As one of the apparently few Scots on this site I was going to jot some things down, but I can't be bothered now, to be honest. I'm kind of sick of the frothing nonsense I've seen on the Internet over the last few days from every side of argument. Maybe later if I'm less tired. So, I'll just go with the Daily Mash Instead... Independant Scotland Could be exactly the Same. EDIT: link fixed, I hope. Last edited by Egan; 01-11-12 at 02:32 PM.

01-11-12, 02:28 PM	#19
Osmium Steele Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Upper midwest USA Posts: 1,101 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Sure. Be all calm and reasonable why don'tcha? __________________ In the month of July of the year 1348, between the feasts of St. Benedict and of St. Swithin, a strange thing came upon England... My U297 build thread

01-11-12, 03:30 PM	#21
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The best poll returns I have seen are 38% of Scots in favour of independance. Good luck to them if that is what is eventually decided...but they need to realise they will have to factor in defence costs because there are fewer Scottish regiments than there have been in the past and the RAF and RN are truly British/English. Add to that they receive far more than they put into the pot and I'm confident the average Scot will realise it is far more beneficial they remain part of the Union. As much as I dislike Cameron, he is playing a canny game and the final outcome will more than likely be the public humiliation of Alex Salmond. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-11-12, 04:55 PM	#25
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-11-12, 05:03 PM	#26
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	So, Jim, as friend of the King (Kratos, not Elvis), would he give you a land grant and make you Lord Buna (or Baron von Neukastle)? Not sure what titles goes with that? __________________

01-11-12, 12:36 PM	#16
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Surely the pressing questions on the referendum must be... Who gets whats left of the North Sea oil/gas Who gets to pay for Dounreay

01-11-12, 04:22 PM	#22
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Call me an idiot.......... But didn't Scotland get thier freedom with BraveHeart?

01-11-12, 04:30 PM	#24
Garion Commander Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 452 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Gits Cheers Garion

01-11-12, 06:06 PM	#27
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Would this mean that the base at Faslane would be split between England and Scotland à la Sevastopol? With half the fleet going to the RN and the other half to the Scottish Navy? ... what am I saying, the Royal Navy doesn't have anything left to split between anyone! __________________

01-11-12, 06:40 PM	#28
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	For the new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers, England can have the flight deck, Scotland can have the hanger and Wales can manage the elevators (sorry, lifts). They can switch round on the last day of the month. More seriously 38% doesn't seem like much but regimes have changed with far less plurality. After digging a bit deeper, seems like the PM might be playing chicken with the issue to embarrass the separatists and polarize their base.