Friendly fire video. A10/British unit.

3Jane · 02-06-07, 04:01 PM

In case anyone hasn't seen this.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,1...D=1347_SUN1131

nelson1985 · 02-06-07, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

In case anyone hasn't seen this.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,1...D=1347_SUN1131

i have not seen this yet hey what anime that girl from under your sig?

3Jane · 02-06-07, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nelson1985

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

In case anyone hasn't seen this.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,1...D=1347_SUN1131

i have not seen this yet hey what anime that girl from under your sig?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urd_%28...oddess%21%29:p

Oberon · 02-06-07, 04:14 PM

Looks like a Fubar on the intel weenies/lack of communication, coupled with what sounded like a possible time limit on the mission.

Feel sorry for the guys on both sides, what a kick in the teeth....man...

(I wondered what anime that was from too, must get round to watching AMG sometime)

BTW: COSTA58 sounds British...was there a Brit jet in the area? Or is it the ground troops on the airband?

nelson1985 · 02-06-07, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

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Originally Posted by nelson1985

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

In case anyone hasn't seen this.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,1...D=1347_SUN1131

i have not seen this yet hey what anime that girl from under your sig?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urd_(Oh_My_Goddess!):p

oh that yeah i seen it good anime :p

DanCanovas · 02-06-07, 04:34 PM

listen I know you guys are gonna tell me that friendly fire happens in all these situations and I completely agree, but as a Brit that is feircely pro-American I gotta say this really isn't doing things any good. Anti-american feeling over here is rife and people are becoming fed up with these friendly fire incidents. They have jokes here now about US friendly fire incidents although this evidently isn't the time for such things. I think its going to create a lot of problems for our government and trouble for our alliance. its a very emotional video to watch and its a terrible mistake. but im afraid the public here won't think about that.

DanCanovas · 02-06-07, 04:37 PM

in fact I'm finding myself increasingly isolated socially with people my age for my pro-american and dare I say it, pro-Bush stance. it was only on saturday in the pub that i found myself on the defence through no choice of my own. its hard!

TteFAboB · 02-06-07, 04:55 PM

"Warning: contains bad language"

Yeah right, that's the worst it contains. How about: warning, contains DEATH?!

True. Death is not as bad as living when guilty of murder. I hope we get to find who's guilty for appropriate punishment to be applied, together with further anti-FF measures. Oh well, you all know Stalin. One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Soon Iraqis will die again by the dozen, none will have a name.

Anyone noticed how long it took for the pilot to announce "Aborting" (aborted, abort, whatever he said)? From the HUD it looks like he had aborted some minutes before. Must've been the British voice on the radio. It's impressive how everybody else are calm though. Just a little more professionalism and a life would've been spared.

sonar732 · 02-06-07, 05:05 PM

I would like to know what unit they were talking to when they kept asking if there are friendlies in the area and were told 'no'. Granted, they admited multiple times to seeing the 'orange' paint on the tops that concur they are friendly regardless...come on...orange colored missle launchers

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STEED · 02-06-07, 05:14 PM

The one thing that got me

was the news readers said the airmen have no combat experience. How the hell are they to get if not in combat. OK, it was a regretful incident but these things will happen there is no such thing as the perfect smooth running war.

Oberon · 02-06-07, 05:19 PM

TBH I really wouldn't have put it past the Iraqis to cotton onto that and paint their rockets orange to try and deter being bombed. I hope that wherever the finger points about this incident, it doesn't point at those pilots, their intel was bad, way bad.

As a Brit, I don't hold the US responsible for this, accidents do happen in war, and intel is well known for being screwed up at times, unfortunately in this case, it lead to a blue on blue and lives were lost. Unfortunately, I dare say most of the Brit rags will make it out to be "another incident of outrageous American aggression" and create comments from "They can't bomb the enemy but they can bomb their own." etc, etc.

Hell, no-one's perfect, we've sunk our own subs in WW2...and...it looks like the RM commando unit my grandfather was in got bombed by carrier based UK aircraft with heavy casualties in Suez in '56...heck, as recently as 2003, a Challenger II opened fire on another Challenger II and blew the turret off it, killing two.

So, it's not just the US doing it, unfortunately, that fact is lost in the rapidly growing anti-US stance in Western Europe, (A stance that, despite some disagreements with US policy in recent years, I'm NOT a part of.) which the media seems to love. Particularly ****-stirrers like The Sun.

Tchocky · 02-06-07, 05:19 PM

Transcript here

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

True. Death is not as bad as living when guilty of murder

Really?

If guilty of murder, you can atone and have a chance to live a normal life. Dead, you don't get that.

3Jane · 02-06-07, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

TBH I really wouldn't have put it past the Iraqis to cotton onto that and paint their rockets orange to try and deter being bombed. I hope that wherever the finger points about this incident, it doesn't point at those pilots, their intel was bad, way bad.

As a Brit, I don't hold the US responsible for this, accidents do happen in war, and intel is well known for being screwed up at times, unfortunately in this case, it lead to a blue on blue and lives were lost. Unfortunately, I dare say most of the Brit rags will make it out to be "another incident of outrageous American aggression" and create comments from "They can't bomb the enemy but they can bomb their own." etc, etc.

Hell, no-one's perfect, we've sunk our own subs in WW2...and...it looks like the RM commando unit my grandfather was in got bombed by carrier based UK aircraft with heavy casualties in Suez in '56...heck, as recently as 2003, a Challenger II opened fire on another Challenger II and blew the turret off it, killing two.

So, it's not just the US doing it, unfortunately, that fact is lost in the rapidly growing anti-US stance in Western Europe, (A stance that, despite some disagreements with US policy in recent years, I'm NOT a part of.) which the media seems to love. Particularly ****-stirrers like The Sun.

To my mind this is one of the worst aspects of this whole issue. Even though the Sun had the actual footage, the journalism written around it seems to have had the intent of portraying the pilots as being trigger happy. When clearly they were not.

STEED · 02-06-07, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

To my mid this is one of the worst aspects of this whole issue. Even though the Sun had the actual footage, the journalism written around it seems to have had the intent of portraying the pilots as being trigger happy. When clearly they were not.

What do you expect for a toilet rag of a paper, the gutter press work for that pile of you know what.

robbo180265 · 02-06-07, 07:36 PM

I think what happened is an awful accident, I feel sorry for the soldier who died and even worse for the two pilots who will have to live with the guilt of this for the rest of their lives.

I just wish that Blair had stood up to Bush, and maybe we wouldn't be in this mess now.

02-06-07, 04:01 PM	#1
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Friendly fire video. A10/British unit. In case anyone hasn't seen this. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,1...D=1347_SUN1131 __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

02-06-07, 04:34 PM	#6
DanCanovas Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 778 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	listen I know you guys are gonna tell me that friendly fire happens in all these situations and I completely agree, but as a Brit that is feircely pro-American I gotta say this really isn't doing things any good. Anti-american feeling over here is rife and people are becoming fed up with these friendly fire incidents. They have jokes here now about US friendly fire incidents although this evidently isn't the time for such things. I think its going to create a lot of problems for our government and trouble for our alliance. its a very emotional video to watch and its a terrible mistake. but im afraid the public here won't think about that. __________________

02-06-07, 04:37 PM	#7
DanCanovas Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 778 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	in fact I'm finding myself increasingly isolated socially with people my age for my pro-american and dare I say it, pro-Bush stance. it was only on saturday in the pub that i found myself on the defence through no choice of my own. its hard! __________________

02-06-07, 04:55 PM	#8
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	"Warning: contains bad language" Yeah right, that's the worst it contains. How about: warning, contains DEATH?! True. Death is not as bad as living when guilty of murder. I hope we get to find who's guilty for appropriate punishment to be applied, together with further anti-FF measures. Oh well, you all know Stalin. One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Soon Iraqis will die again by the dozen, none will have a name. Anyone noticed how long it took for the pilot to announce "Aborting" (aborted, abort, whatever he said)? From the HUD it looks like he had aborted some minutes before. Must've been the British voice on the radio. It's impressive how everybody else are calm though. Just a little more professionalism and a life would've been spared. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

02-06-07, 05:05 PM	#9
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I would like to know what unit they were talking to when they kept asking if there are friendlies in the area and were told 'no'. Granted, they admited multiple times to seeing the 'orange' paint on the tops that concur they are friendly regardless...come on...orange colored missle launchers.

02-06-07, 04:14 PM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Looks like a Fubar on the intel weenies/lack of communication, coupled with what sounded like a possible time limit on the mission. Feel sorry for the guys on both sides, what a kick in the teeth....man... (I wondered what anime that was from too, must get round to watching AMG sometime) BTW: COSTA58 sounds British...was there a Brit jet in the area? Or is it the ground troops on the airband?

02-06-07, 05:14 PM	#10
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The one thing that got me was the news readers said the airmen have no combat experience. How the hell are they to get if not in combat. OK, it was a regretful incident but these things will happen there is no such thing as the perfect smooth running war. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

02-06-07, 05:19 PM	#11
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	TBH I really wouldn't have put it past the Iraqis to cotton onto that and paint their rockets orange to try and deter being bombed. I hope that wherever the finger points about this incident, it doesn't point at those pilots, their intel was bad, way bad. As a Brit, I don't hold the US responsible for this, accidents do happen in war, and intel is well known for being screwed up at times, unfortunately in this case, it lead to a blue on blue and lives were lost. Unfortunately, I dare say most of the Brit rags will make it out to be "another incident of outrageous American aggression" and create comments from "They can't bomb the enemy but they can bomb their own." etc, etc. Hell, no-one's perfect, we've sunk our own subs in WW2...and...it looks like the RM commando unit my grandfather was in got bombed by carrier based UK aircraft with heavy casualties in Suez in '56...heck, as recently as 2003, a Challenger II opened fire on another Challenger II and blew the turret off it, killing two. So, it's not just the US doing it, unfortunately, that fact is lost in the rapidly growing anti-US stance in Western Europe, (A stance that, despite some disagreements with US policy in recent years, I'm NOT a part of.) which the media seems to love. Particularly ****-stirrers like The Sun.

02-06-07, 07:36 PM	#15
robbo180265 Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton, England.Party capital of the south Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	I think what happened is an awful accident, I feel sorry for the soldier who died and even worse for the two pilots who will have to live with the guilt of this for the rest of their lives. I just wish that Blair had stood up to Bush, and maybe we wouldn't be in this mess now.