Sub on Rails - What is it? - Page 2

Ducimus · 03-01-10, 04:50 PM

There's three different ways to fix the sub on rails if i remember correctly.

1.) LargewaveCoef in the scene.dat. This was a global property, not in one of the 4 wave states if i remember correctly. (i recall this beiing a quick hack of a fix)

2.) Recalibrate and redo all 4 wave states. (You will most likely have to recalibrate the AI's visual detection after doing this. Tons of fun.

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3.) The two wave amplitude settings at the top of the file in the sim.cfg. (You will most definatly have to recalibrate the AI visual detection, and make crash depth adjustments in the zones.cfg. Increasing wave size like this will have the best visual effect, but will causes ships to combust/flood after a random period of time due to flooding via increased wave size. Also tons of fun to adjust

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or any combination of 2 and 3. Anywho, my memory is foggy, so i could have it wrong.

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BTW, if folks from SH5 are looking/researching answer for this issue, try asking W_clear. I think he's into SH5, and he'd have more info on the issue then i would.

The General · 03-01-10, 08:05 PM

It would've been nice if this was done by The Devs in the first place. I mean it's been something like 10 years since SH3 went into development and getting something like this right should've been job 1 after creating the water and sub model.

Ducimus · 03-01-10, 08:26 PM

The sub on rails effect was introduced with SH4.

V.C. Sniper · 03-01-10, 09:49 PM

i saw some sh3 videos on utube, subs on rail was in sh3.

Ducimus · 03-01-10, 11:30 PM

Maybe that was prepatch 1.4b. I honestly don't remember sub on rails in SH3, quite the opposite, i seem to remember subs interacting substantially better with the enviorment in SH3. But, it was awhile ago for me, i could be wrong.

dcb · 03-02-10, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Maybe that was prepatch 1.4b. I honestly don't remember sub on rails in SH3, quite the opposite, i seem to remember subs interacting substantially better with the enviorment in SH3. But, it was awhile ago for me, i could be wrong.

No, you're right. I'm still playing SH3, which has the sub hydro behavior right, and wondering why on Earth did they break it into SH4, when it was working so well years ago? And then why did they not incorporate into SH5 the fixes brought by the community for SH4, as it's the same engine and - obviously - the same borked vanilla physics? Modders are doing the job for them and they still ignore it. Go figure

vickers03 · 03-02-10, 07:16 AM

i have a mod for this, i think it works good enough:

SH3_to_SH4_sub_physics
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1433

TH0R · 03-02-10, 08:09 AM

Has this 'sub on rails' been fixed in the RFB?

When comparing TMO and RFB I found that the sub had more pitch in the TMO than in RFB (all latest versions)...

SH4 fan · 03-26-10, 11:23 PM

What are the acronyms used in the SH3 to SH4 physics? I am new here and trying to hit the ground running.

vickers03 · 03-27-10, 05:16 AM

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What are the acronyms used in the SH3 to SH4 physics? I am new here and trying to hit the ground running.

could you explain this?

SH4 fan · 03-27-10, 01:21 PM

I did a bit more research and found the answer I was looking for. I was referring to the mod acronyms: GFO, TMO etc. Thank you though!

03-01-10, 04:50 PM	#16
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	There's three different ways to fix the sub on rails if i remember correctly. 1.) LargewaveCoef in the scene.dat. This was a global property, not in one of the 4 wave states if i remember correctly. (i recall this beiing a quick hack of a fix) 2.) Recalibrate and redo all 4 wave states. (You will most likely have to recalibrate the AI's visual detection after doing this. Tons of fun. ) 3.) The two wave amplitude settings at the top of the file in the sim.cfg. (You will most definatly have to recalibrate the AI visual detection, and make crash depth adjustments in the zones.cfg. Increasing wave size like this will have the best visual effect, but will causes ships to combust/flood after a random period of time due to flooding via increased wave size. Also tons of fun to adjust ) or any combination of 2 and 3. Anywho, my memory is foggy, so i could have it wrong. edit: BTW, if folks from SH5 are looking/researching answer for this issue, try asking W_clear. I think he's into SH5, and he'd have more info on the issue then i would. Last edited by Ducimus; 03-01-10 at 05:10 PM.

03-01-10, 08:05 PM	#17
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	SH3 - SH5 inherent problems It would've been nice if this was done by The Devs in the first place. I mean it's been something like 10 years since SH3 went into development and getting something like this right should've been job 1 after creating the water and sub model. __________________ *THE GENERAL*

03-01-10, 09:49 PM	#19
V.C. Sniper Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 339 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	i saw some sh3 videos on utube, subs on rail was in sh3. __________________ I only need one torpedo.

03-02-10, 08:09 AM	#23
TH0R XO Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 420 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Has this 'sub on rails' been fixed in the RFB? When comparing TMO and RFB I found that the sub had more pitch in the TMO than in RFB (all latest versions)... __________________ *My IL2 stuff:* LEVEL BOMBING MANUAL v2.0 \| 'MUSTANG'

03-26-10, 11:23 PM	#24
SH4 fan Mate Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 51 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	Newb What are the acronyms used in the SH3 to SH4 physics? I am new here and trying to hit the ground running.

03-01-10, 08:26 PM	#18
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The sub on rails effect was introduced with SH4.

03-01-10, 11:30 PM	#20
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Maybe that was prepatch 1.4b. I honestly don't remember sub on rails in SH3, quite the opposite, i seem to remember subs interacting substantially better with the enviorment in SH3. But, it was awhile ago for me, i could be wrong.

03-02-10, 07:16 AM	#22
vickers03 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: germany Posts: 976 Downloads: 711 Uploads: 37	i have a mod for this, i think it works good enough: SH3_to_SH4_sub_physics http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1433

03-27-10, 01:21 PM	#26
SH4 fan Mate Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 51 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	I did a bit more research and found the answer I was looking for. I was referring to the mod acronyms: GFO, TMO etc. Thank you though!