[REL] Run Silent, Run Deep - The Campaign

[cgjimeneza]

Hello
If I have installed TMO 15B, which I believe is the latest, what should be the structure to modify it with RSRD

TMO 15
RSRD
... what patches and mods here...

should this be before pacific enviroment 3.3?

help!!!

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by trebby

Hi guys,

I noticed with every combo of RSRD, (on TM 3.71or RFB 3.95or alone 3.55) that the jap DDs lost their DC racks; the (double) stern ones and the one on the left side.
The depth charge throwers are still there (with increased salvo?), but since they throw sideways accuracy is off.
Is this an RSRD mod? I am really curious about the idea behind it...:hmm:

Maybe you could enlighten me on that, thanks.

trebb.

As designed


see the following sites

http://www.warshipsww2.eu/typy.php?l...riod=&stat=JAP

http://www.combinedfleet.com/lancers.htm

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by cgjimeneza

Hello
If I have installed TMO 15B, which I believe is the latest, what should be the structure to modify it with RSRD

TMO 15
RSRD
... what patches and mods here...

should this be before pacific enviroment 3.3?

help!!!

Load order

pacific enviroment version XXX
TMO
RSRDC V371
RSRDC V371 Patch 7

Don't load any thing after TMO / RSDRC or your going to have problems

[claybirdd]

Very impressive links lurker. thanks for sharing

[Red Devil]

I know we had drop off the quarterdeck charges in WW2, especially on our Black Swan Class Sloops, but not sure of jap destroyers. But I too noted the increase in elevation and distance of the side throwers with RSRD.

[cgjimeneza]

Thanks... deinstalling and moving TMO and RSRD to the last...

[cgjimeneza]

Now my Mod order looks like this... will inform on results...
and someone pls check it for inconsistencies....

#1 PE3 Install
#3b PE3 submarine bubbles and caustics and roll pitch for TM
#4 PE3 Ship_debris_SH4_with bodies
#5 PE3 real reflections for harbour and objects
#6 PE3 patch for TM
PE3 Install less floater
REL_TriggerMaru_Overhaul_15B
RSRDC_TMOv15_V371
RSRDC_V371_Patch7

:hmm:

[trebby]

Thanks Lurker,

For the nice links, under favorites now...
I could not find specifics on the DC stations themselves tough.
You guys have spent a lot of time on this mod so I take it that deletion of stern rollers was a realism enhancement, presumably to get it finally as you said: "as designed".

Thanks, Trebb

[akdavis]

Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

As designed


see the following sites

http://www.warshipsww2.eu/typy.php?l...riod=&stat=JAP

http://www.combinedfleet.com/lancers.htm

Hi Lurker, can you provide a more direct link to the references? I suspect this might be a misunderstanding. I believe you can see charges on the sterns of many of the 3D models, so if deletion of the racks means they won't roll charges off the stern, this might be a problem. Also, I believe a number of destroyers/DEs were upgraded with proper racks as the war progressed.



DoD drawing of Matsu as she appeared upon capture:

[Floyd]

Originally Posted by cgjimeneza

Now my Mod order looks like this... will inform on results...
and someone pls check it for inconsistencies....

#1 PE3 Install
#3b PE3 submarine bubbles and caustics and roll pitch for TM
#4 PE3 Ship_debris_SH4_with bodies
#5 PE3 real reflections for harbour and objects
#6 PE3 patch for TM
PE3 Install less floater
REL_TriggerMaru_Overhaul_15B
RSRDC_TMOv15_V371
RSRDC_V371_Patch7

:hmm:

The PE3 install pdf shows PE3 to be installed after TM and RSRDC.
Check page 5 of the manual.

[DrBeast]

Actually, there's a lot of controversy on that issue...TM already ships with an Environmental mod anyway, but if you really want to use PE, I *think* it's safe to install it after TM and RSRDC. It's been a while since I checked the mods in question for conflicting files (since I used many parts of TM, and RSRDC in its whole), but if memory serves PE3 doesn't touch any of the "critical" RSRDC files, and the patch for TM is there to make it compatible with TM.

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by akdavis

Hi Lurker, can you provide a more direct link to the references? I suspect this might be a misunderstanding. I believe you can see charges on the sterns of many of the 3D models, so if deletion of the racks means they won't roll charges off the stern, this might be a problem. Also, I believe a number of destroyers/DEs were upgraded with proper racks as the war progressed.

It is an interesting issue. Before lurker's changes I had no idea how seemingly so few Japanese DDs had DC roll racks.

This page doesn't show any DC roll racks on this Akizuki class model:

http://steelnavy.com/NichimoHatsuzukiLR.htm

This Fubuki class DD apparently has DC roll racks, but it's hard to tell:

http://steelnavy.com/TamiyaAyanamiSS.htm

Kagero without DC roll racks:

http://steelnavy.com/BWNKagero.htm

Another Akizuki without DC roll racks:

http://steelnavy.com/AoshimaAkizukiJGordon.htm

Steelnavy.com, BTW, is a great site. Check it out to see what types of models guys have built there.

[akdavis]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

It is an interesting issue. Before lurker's changes I had no idea how seemingly so few Japanese DDs had DC roll racks.

This page doesn't show any DC roll racks on this Akizuki class model:

http://steelnavy.com/NichimoHatsuzukiLR.htm

This Fubuki class DD apparently has DC roll racks, but it's hard to tell:

http://steelnavy.com/TamiyaAyanamiSS.htm

Kagero without DC roll racks:

http://steelnavy.com/BWNKagero.htm

Another Akizuki without DC roll racks:

http://steelnavy.com/AoshimaAkizukiJGordon.htm

Steelnavy.com, BTW, is a great site. Check it out to see what types of models guys have built there.

Yes, but in the cases above where there are no racks/rails, there appear to be 6 charges lining the sides with attendant "derricks" (as described in the Akizuki illustration above).

In the case of the Ayanami, although my first reaction is that those are roll racks, I noticed that the model depicts as she appeared in 1929, so I have to wonder if it might be additional minesweeping gear.

Here is another example, Yukikaze in 1940 (charges with derricks):
http://steelnavy.com/images/2007February/yukikaze14.jpg

Hatsushimo 1939 with derrick charges along stern:
http://www2.odn.ne.jp/miyukikai/pl-hatsushimo-21.jpg

Mutsuki 1944 with roll racks:
http://alaboc.ifrance.com/images/nav.../mutsuki44.gif

Yukikaze in 1945 (roll racks):
plan: http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...-destroyer.gif
model: http://www.hlj.com/images/lor/lorls350005.jpg

Akitsuki with racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...s/akatsuki.gif

Akishimo with rack and/or minesweeping gear;
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...s/akishimo.gif

Arashio with derrick charges and minesweeping gear?:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...rs/arashio.gif

Asashio same:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...rs/asashio.gif

Ayanami with racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...rs/ayanami.gif

Fubuki with racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...ers/fubuki.gif

Harusame with racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...s/harusame.gif

Hatsuyuki with racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr.../hatsuyuki.gif

Hayanami (Ayanami as above?) with minesweeping gear and/or single rack:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...s/hayanami.gif

Hibiki with racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...ers/hibiki.gif

Matsu with racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...yers/matsu.gif

Mikazuki unknown?
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...s/mikazuki.gif

Minegumo derrick charges and minesweeping gear:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...s/minegumo.gif

Sakura with roll racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...ers/sakura.gif

Shikinami with roll racks:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr.../shikinami.gif

Kagero?
http://www.watakan.com/works/yamato/.../kagerou_3.jpg

Matsu?
http://www.watakan.com/works/yamato/images/matsu_2.jpg

Matsu with empty racks?
http://alaboc.ifrance.com/images/nav...apon/matsu.gif

[Red Devil]

blimey AK, you put some work into that post didn't you? Well done.

[Rockin Robbins]

Looks to me like it's photo time. Drawings carry the information the artist intends them to contain, not reality... just try to compare street maps to reality. In spite of considerable care, they just don't have 100% accuracy. In fact, purposeful errors are made for the reason of copyright enforcement.

I would trust a verbal description or photograph before I trust a plastic toy model or drawing.