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Old 10-28-07, 06:57 AM   #31
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but it can go different, too. That a second bomb is blown up if the government does not obey not to leave the vulnerable capital. Or to make all demands in public, so that the public is aware of the government and the communal institutions not obeying. If then more bombs get blown up, and scores of people get killed, large areas contaminated, and millions will suffer from radiation for the next decades, people will loose their courage fast and demand that it it better to show obedience, than to get nuked. It's only a question of how many needs to die before that result is acchieved. A government then resisting - would either been wiped out by one of the follow-up bombs, or would sooner than later be confronted by rebellions and violent resistance by the population. Civil war that makes us destroy our own society. Exactly what terrorists want: the destruction of known society.

Also, if just half a dozen cities in the US or europe gets nuked, the ones I mentioned, or for example London, Rotterdam, Frankfurt, the Ruhrgebiet, Paris, etc, it would change the face of the continent for decades to come. Economic paralysis, global recession. Nations needing to arrange themselves with major parts of their heartlands being contaminated, maybe with key installartions of energy, industry, finance. Or: nuclear powerplants. Imagiine somebody blows up the Hoover dam! compared to the death toll that would cause, a small nuclear bomb's immediate kill rate maybe looks even tame.

The US and europe no longer being a serious rival to russian and chinese global trade politicies. The West flaling back behind these, more and more.

And you certainly do understand that the threat of nuclear retaliation against those countries where such terrorist would have come from (if they are no well integrated homegrown west-compatible citizens of europe or the US!) is not a deterrant against a bunch of fanatic religious dumbheads. Even in the West some people live by the belief that the final armageddon cannot be avoided anyway, since it is imagined in any scripture, and thus it would be blasphemous to eternally want to avoid it.

During the cold war, "sleeper agents" were "transplanted" into the other nation'S social structure. they sank in, married, founded families, lived their all Russian or all-american lives for years and sometimes decades, waiting for activation. Why assuming that islamic terrorists would not think about such longterm planning, too? They have powerful structures and factions backing them, with unlimited supply in money. Djihad could afford to think in years and decades, in fact it even thinks in centuries. Also, as the developement in europe shows, especially the third generation of immigrants is especially prone to radicalisation, and it seems that material welath and social milieu of the family has little to do with it, and these groups in large parts today are more conservative and hardcore Islamic than the first generation. You do not need to support and transfer personnell into the target nation. you can just reap your recruits amongst those who had been sown in the past years before, send them to university, even having a career, learn how to build nuclear bombs. All you need to smuggle is the fissal material. even more eager to prove themselves in this way are - converts, who live under pressure to proove themselves in the context of the new ideology they have choosen. The phenomenon is nothing new in all religions, for example, but in case of Islam and the context of this thread it leads to extremely unpleasant consequences. The terrorists who were arrested in Germany some weeks ago, planning to laucnh a series of bomb explosions with almost one ton of selfmade explosives - were europeans germans from unsuspicious middle-class families. and they had converted to Islam just some years before. BKA analysts say that these converts and the third generation offsprings from Islamic families are the risk group with the highest terror threat level for Germany.

Da habe ich wohl wieder mal was politisch Unkorrektes gesagt...
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