[REL] Open Horizons II - Page 182

Trevally. · 03-10-13, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gap

@ Bothersome

You are probably the first OHII player who reported on a refitting from one of these:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...98#post1950598

Quote:

Originally Posted by keysersoze

Out of curiosity, to what extent has OHII modeled historical resupply operations? I know where we could find a chart with the dates and areas of operations for all the milk cows/resupply boats that were operational during the war. Would this be useful?

Where gameplay allowed real refuel areas and times are factored into the campaign.
With some campaigns (Monsun is one) refueling is also scripted into the action and there is a chance you will be attacked from the air when your are dangerously exposed.

THE_MASK · 03-10-13, 06:40 AM

I am going to catch you tomorrow Trevally . I have a nice big blade lure waiting for you . Back at the end of the week , cheers .

Trevally. · 03-10-13, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sober

I am going to catch you tomorrow Trevally . I have a nice big blade lure waiting for you . Back at the end of the week , cheers .

gap · 03-10-13, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keysersoze

Out of curiosity, to what extent has OHII modeled historical resupply operations? I know where we could find a chart with the dates and areas of operations for all the milk cows/resupply boats that were operational during the war. Would this be useful?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Where gameplay allowed real refuel areas and times are factored into the campaign.
With some campaigns (Monsun is one) refueling is also scripted into the action and there is a chance you will be attacked from the air when your are dangerously exposed.

Hi keysersoze,

the information on special resupply operations that OHII is based on, is found in the following posts:

U-boat Refitting at Sea Part I: German tankers interned in Spanish Ports (see also this post)
U-boat Refitting at Sea Part II: Surface units in the Atlantic and Indian Ocean (see also this post)

A third part regarding resupplies from U-boat to U-boat (Milk Cows + others) was planned but never done. Notice that resupply availability dates suggested by me are based on refitting operations that actually took place an that I was aware of. It is possible that their timespan, as planned by BdU, was longer.

If you have more/better data than me, please feel free to complete and/or correct my information. Hopefully, Trevally will be able to implement your corrections with few tweaks, where possible.

On a side note, resupply operations are part of a larger project regarding special U-boat operations. Data collected so far:

Special U-boat Missions Part I: Escort Duties (Auxiliary Cruisers/Blockade Runners/Supply Ships)
Special U-boat Missions Part I: Escort Duties (Blockade Runners/Weather Boats; see also this post)

Planned:

Weather report duties
Weather stations installment missions
Spy/saboteurs dropping missions
Reckon missions
Detailed Axis/Allied orders of battle for several naval operations involving U-boats' partecipation, including Operation Weserübung (Operationsbefehl Hartmut), Operation Rheinübung (battle of Denmark Strait and Sinking of the Bismark), Operation Wunderland, Operation Rösselsprung, etc.

Bothersome · 03-10-13, 12:45 PM

If there's one think I'd like in the new missions....

When you have completed all your objectives, not to end the campaign mission automatically. I worked real hard to get all that done in time so that I'd have time to spare to "play around" in areas that I wanted to investigate. But the mission ends and you then have to pick a new mission era from the campaign screen.

What would happen if I didn't complete everything?

I already go out without mission orders because I hate having to wait around 5 days in some area when I know there's not much out in that area. So what if I just sluff off doing my own thing instead of worrying about mission objectives? Do I get relieved of duty? Does simple tonnage not count for anything?

Trevally. · 03-10-13, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothersome

If there's one think I'd like in the new missions....

When you have completed all your objectives, not to end the campaign mission automatically. I worked real hard to get all that done in time so that I'd have time to spare to "play around" in areas that I wanted to investigate. But the mission ends and you then have to pick a new mission era from the campaign screen.

What would happen if I didn't complete everything?

I already go out without mission orders because I hate having to wait around 5 days in some area when I know there's not much out in that area. So what if I just sluff off doing my own thing instead of worrying about mission objectives? Do I get relieved of duty? Does simple tonnage not count for anything?

No - you can do what you want Bothersome,
Only the campaign objective are important

keysersoze · 03-10-13, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

Hi keysersoze,

the information on special resupply operations that OHII is based on, is found in the following posts:

U-boat Refitting at Sea Part I: German tankers interned in Spanish Ports (see also this post)
U-boat Refitting at Sea Part II: Surface units in the Atlantic and Indian Ocean (see also this post)

A third part regarding resupplies from U-boat to U-boat (Milk Cows + others) was planned but never done. Notice that resupply availability dates suggested by me are based on refitting operations that actually took place an that I was aware of. It is possible that their timespan, as planned by BdU, was longer.

If you have more/better data than me, please feel free to complete and/or correct my information. Hopefully, Trevally will be able to implement your corrections with few tweaks, where possible.

On a side note, resupply operations are part of a larger project regarding special U-boat operations. Data collected so far:

Special U-boat Missions Part I: Escort Duties (Auxiliary Cruisers/Blockade Runners/Supply Ships)
Special U-boat Missions Part I: Escort Duties (Blockade Runners/Weather Boats; see also this post)

Planned:

Weather report duties
Weather stations installment missions
Spy/saboteurs dropping missions
Reckon missions
Detailed Axis/Allied orders of battle for several naval operations involving U-boats' partecipation, including Operation Weserübung (Operationsbefehl Hartmut), Operation Rheinübung (battle of Denmark Strait and Sinking of the Bismark), Operation Wunderland, Operation Rösselsprung, etc.

It looks like you already have an excellent start on resupply and special operations. Last night, I started typing a chart that includes the patrols, areas of operation (Kriegsmarine grid squares), and U-boats supplied for all Type XIVs and Type VIIFs. This morning, I realized that this information is all available on uboat.net, so maybe it wouldn't be very useful.

In the meantime, I spent the last several hours compiling a list of all the U-boat "special operations" I could find. You will find date, U-boat(s) involved, and type of operation. I'm sorry for the poor format. I really didn't realize the project would become as large as it did. Here's the link:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?9oglro2fcwc6boa

PS: I've never used mediafire before, so let me know if the above link doesn't work.

Bothersome · 03-10-13, 03:57 PM

The trip to Penang looks well worth the trip.

Here are a few screen shots showing Penang Harbor

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.47.41.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.48.06.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.48.26.jpg

I may just have to take a visitors tour around these Asian lands just to take in the sights.

Bothersome · 03-10-13, 04:37 PM

Not nagging or anything, but I noticed a bit of a bug on this Monsun Gruppe thingy.

here is a screenshot

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_16.31.09.jpg

Notice anything unusual about the time? I'm looking mostly straight up.

This is a great mod, just trying to get the little things fixed too.

THE_MASK · 03-10-13, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothersome

Not nagging or anything, but I noticed a bit of a bug on this Monsun Gruppe thingy.

here is a screenshot

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_16.31.09.jpg

Notice anything unusual about the time? I'm looking mostly straight up.

This is a great mod, just trying to get the little things fixed too.

In new zealand in summer at queenstown i noticed that the sun was still up at 9 PM

Bothersome · 03-10-13, 05:27 PM

Also one more thingy,

This should be in the early morning.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_17.20.58.jpg

Notice the compass heading and the time. The sun is coming up from the west. The stopwatch is basically local time not GMT. Planet turning backwards?

I was sort of waiting on an early morning sunrise. But waited a bit too long. But noticed all this anyway.

I didn't know if this should be reported here or in DynEnv thread.

OK I'll just go play now.

Edit... well, nevermind... maybe I've been up too long playing this... I'll recheck. I guess going around the world has got my am/pm thing mixed up.. oops.

Trevally. · 03-10-13, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keysersoze

It looks like you already have an excellent start on resupply and special operations. Last night, I started typing a chart that includes the patrols, areas of operation (Kriegsmarine grid squares), and U-boats supplied for all Type XIVs and Type VIIFs. This morning, I realized that this information is all available on uboat.net, so maybe it wouldn't be very useful.

In the meantime, I spent the last several hours compiling a list of all the U-boat "special operations" I could find. You will find date, U-boat(s) involved, and type of operation. I'm sorry for the poor format. I really didn't realize the project would become as large as it did. Here's the link:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?9oglro2fcwc6boa

PS: I've never used mediafire before, so let me know if the above link doesn't work.

Thanks keysersoze

This will be very helpful

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothersome

The trip to Penang looks well worth the trip.

Here are a few screen shots showing Penang Harbor

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.47.41.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.48.06.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.48.26.jpg

I may just have to take a visitors tour around these Asian lands just to take in the sights.

Glad you are liking it - send us a postcard,

Don't let SailorSteve see that bunker in Penang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bothersome

Not nagging or anything, but I noticed a bit of a bug on this Monsun Gruppe thingy.

here is a screenshot

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_16.31.09.jpg

Notice anything unusual about the time? I'm looking mostly straight up.

This is a great mod, just trying to get the little things fixed too.

This type issue can happen in single mission games

- I need to check if it is the same issue

03-10-13, 06:05 PM

Thanks for the upgrade Trevally! Good job!!! Much appreciated!

I usually play a few months at a time a couple of times per year. I finally made the move from 1.8, but now I see you are working on a 2.1 update to this already .. lol .. we'll have to change the mod name to OHII 1939-1941, since I never get any further than that without having to restart again because of a new update

. Too bad we can't do a true update that doesn't require a campaign restart!

I have to say that doing the missions without associated (visible) tonnage has been great! Ya, we have to fill that bar to complete the mission, but it doesn't have that same arcade feeling. It's more SH3-like for me. It just feels better to work within a time frame and sink ships of any size. Now it feels intense dealing with weather and hunting around and not finding anything for a week or two without worrying about the math. I can't count how many times I have mumbled "verdammt!" to myself

. hehehe

Everything has been working great, but here are just a few things I have encountered:

I upgraded to 2.1 along with upgrading TDW UI to 7.1.0 and finally got things working after a week or so of mod juggling. I tried to add the mtns mods (full and lite in the proper order), but had nothing but problems, so I ended up not using them.

Since upgrading OHII and TDW UI, I can't use TDW's sub exhaust anymore

. I'll probably have to post that problem in his thread (and Sub AI since that crashes as well).

I started using your Harbour Addition Environment Enhancement Mod for OHII. I read somewhere that the cranes and things like that are active, but everything I see is stationary. Looks good otherwise!

Also, somewhere in late 1939, I noticed a uboat parked in the way between the Wilhelmshaven pen and the exit, so when using the harbour pilot, my uboat headed right for it while turning towards the exit. I had to stop, backup, and guide it out on my own. This happened for two missions, but now the uboat is sitting further down, so it isn't a problem anymore from that point onwards.

Take your time with 2.1 .. no really .. take your time ..

Cheers!

Edit: Just started Happy Times .. Wilhelmshaven docks are alive with moving cranes and vehicles now. Nothing changed except starting this new mission.

03-10-13, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GT182

And one other thing I've never seen in OHII Full 2.0.... Lifeboats. No idea why they don't show up, unless a lifeboat mod has to be installed thru JSGME.

I believe you still have to apply Rongel's lifeboats mod (after OHII).

Trevally, maybe you should merge that into OHII if Rongel is ok with it.

Fifi · 03-10-13, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7Infanterie19

Since upgrading OHII and TDW UI, I can't use TDW's sub exhaust anymore

. I'll probably have to post that problem in his thread (and Sub AI since that crashes as well).

I'm currently using both with OHII Full and TDW NewUIs 7.1.0...without issue

03-10-13, 06:05 PM	#2728
7Infanterie19 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Thanks for the upgrade Trevally! Good job!!! Much appreciated! I usually play a few months at a time a couple of times per year. I finally made the move from 1.8, but now I see you are working on a 2.1 update to this already .. lol .. we'll have to change the mod name to OHII 1939-1941, since I never get any further than that without having to restart again because of a new update . Too bad we can't do a true update that doesn't require a campaign restart! I have to say that doing the missions without associated (visible) tonnage has been great! Ya, we have to fill that bar to complete the mission, but it doesn't have that same arcade feeling. It's more SH3-like for me. It just feels better to work within a time frame and sink ships of any size. Now it feels intense dealing with weather and hunting around and not finding anything for a week or two without worrying about the math. I can't count how many times I have mumbled "verdammt!" to myself . hehehe Everything has been working great, but here are just a few things I have encountered: I upgraded to 2.1 along with upgrading TDW UI to 7.1.0 and finally got things working after a week or so of mod juggling. I tried to add the mtns mods (full and lite in the proper order), but had nothing but problems, so I ended up not using them. Since upgrading OHII and TDW UI, I can't use TDW's sub exhaust anymore . I'll probably have to post that problem in his thread (and Sub AI since that crashes as well). I started using your Harbour Addition Environment Enhancement Mod for OHII. I read somewhere that the cranes and things like that are active, but everything I see is stationary. Looks good otherwise! Also, somewhere in late 1939, I noticed a uboat parked in the way between the Wilhelmshaven pen and the exit, so when using the harbour pilot, my uboat headed right for it while turning towards the exit. I had to stop, backup, and guide it out on my own. This happened for two missions, but now the uboat is sitting further down, so it isn't a problem anymore from that point onwards. Take your time with 2.1 .. no really .. take your time .. Cheers! Edit: Just started Happy Times .. Wilhelmshaven docks are alive with moving cranes and vehicles now. Nothing changed except starting this new mission. Last edited by 7Infanterie19; 03-10-13 at 08:09 PM.

03-10-13, 06:40 AM	#2717
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	I am going to catch you tomorrow Trevally . I have a nice big blade lure waiting for you . Back at the end of the week , cheers .

03-10-13, 12:45 PM	#2720
Bothersome Planesman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 194 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	If there's one think I'd like in the new missions.... When you have completed all your objectives, not to end the campaign mission automatically. I worked real hard to get all that done in time so that I'd have time to spare to "play around" in areas that I wanted to investigate. But the mission ends and you then have to pick a new mission era from the campaign screen. What would happen if I didn't complete everything? I already go out without mission orders because I hate having to wait around 5 days in some area when I know there's not much out in that area. So what if I just sluff off doing my own thing instead of worrying about mission objectives? Do I get relieved of duty? Does simple tonnage not count for anything?

03-10-13, 03:57 PM	#2723
Bothersome Planesman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 194 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	The trip to Penang looks well worth the trip. Here are a few screen shots showing Penang Harbor https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.47.41.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.48.06.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_15.48.26.jpg I may just have to take a visitors tour around these Asian lands just to take in the sights.

03-10-13, 04:37 PM	#2724
Bothersome Planesman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 194 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Not nagging or anything, but I noticed a bit of a bug on this Monsun Gruppe thingy. here is a screenshot https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_16.31.09.jpg Notice anything unusual about the time? I'm looking mostly straight up. This is a great mod, just trying to get the little things fixed too.

03-10-13, 05:27 PM	#2726
Bothersome Planesman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 194 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Also one more thingy, This should be in the early morning. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/54171727/SH...0_17.20.58.jpg Notice the compass heading and the time. The sun is coming up from the west. The stopwatch is basically local time not GMT. Planet turning backwards? I was sort of waiting on an early morning sunrise. But waited a bit too long. But noticed all this anyway. I didn't know if this should be reported here or in DynEnv thread. OK I'll just go play now. Edit... well, nevermind... maybe I've been up too long playing this... I'll recheck. I guess going around the world has got my am/pm thing mixed up.. oops.