Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Mr Quatro]

This is what Franklin Graham had to say

Franklin Graham

Canada has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, so many people can’t understand how a horrible shooting like this can occur with those laws in place.
But criminals don’t obey the laws. Gun laws don’t stop people from doing evil things.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Very sorry to hear this.
I wonder if it will ever come out what drove this man to commit such senseless murder

I am sure that all his thoughts and actions will be micro analysed enough that it will serve as both a critique and a How To manual for the next nut.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by August

I am sure that all his thoughts and actions will be micro analysed enough that it will serve as both a critique and a How To manual for the next nut.

I once saw a license plate that said " Fight crime, shoot back."


I liked it a lot. I'm not sure what the answer is and we have discussed this before in this forum. I do know that intelligent, reasonable and sane people that are armed make poor targets.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I once saw a license plate that said " Fight crime, shoot back."


I liked it a lot. I'm not sure what the answer is and we have discussed this before in this forum. I do know that intelligent, reasonable and sane people that are armed make poor targets.

...and we do know that unintelligent, unreasonable and insane people that are armed are just as likely to shoot poor targets, armed or not...


...just ask the family of the armed, slain RCMP constable...





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[August]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I once saw a license plate that said " Fight crime, shoot back."


I liked it a lot. I'm not sure what the answer is and we have discussed this before in this forum. I do know that intelligent, reasonable and sane people that are armed make poor targets.

Taking guns away from innocent people because of the actions of a nut is like kicking the cat because the dog crapped on the carpet.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by vienna

...and we do know that unintelligent, unreasonable and insane people that are armed are just as likely to shoot poor targets, armed or not...


...just ask the family of the armed, slain RCMP constable...

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Precisely my point. If people are armed, at least they stand a fighting chance when confronted by a nut like this.

Originally Posted by August

Taking guns away from innocent people because of the actions of a nut is like kicking the cat because the dog crapped on the carpet.

I never said anything about taking guns away from anyone. In fact, I said well armed people make poor targets.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I once saw a license plate that said " Fight crime, shoot back."
I liked it a lot. I'm not sure what the answer is and we have discussed this before in this forum. I do know that intelligent, reasonable and sane people that are armed make poor targets.

Sure, but if some maniac carries his gun concealed and gets close to his victim, which chance does this armed victim have to act in time, e.g. in a crowd? Mistrust every other human within possible gun range? You are never safe against maniacs.

Guns or no guns, pathological cases will always find a way to wreak havoc. If all have guns they will use explosives like with the Oklahoma city bombing or whatever.

Maybe August 'misunderstood' (intentionally of course), that i moan the shooting of the mass murderer. I do not. But i think it would be good for mankind if it knew what makes those people tick, if only to prevent more of this carnage.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Sure, but if some maniac carries his gun concealed and gets close to his victim, which chance does this armed victim have to act in time, e.g. in a crowd? Mistrust every other human within possible gun range? You are never safe against maniacs.

Guns or no guns, pathological cases will always find a way to wreak havoc. If all have guns they will use explosives like with the Oklahoma city bombing or whatever.

Maybe August 'misunderstood' (intentionally of course), that i moan the shooting of the mass murderer. I do not. But i think it would be good for mankind if it knew what makes those people tick, if only to prevent more of this carnage.

I don't disagree with you, Kai. As is being reported in the Nova Scotia shooting, there are multiple crime scenes. Something is driving the stupid mentality that compels people to engage in the carnage we are seeing today and at Nova Scotia. Maybe in this case, the isolation with regards to Covid-19 in conjunction with other factors like mental defects drove this act. Who really knows.

My point is that if a lunatic like this one is shooting a number of people in one location, then the legally armed individual has a means to defend themselves or at least make the active shooter pause long enough so that they and others can be afforded the opportunity to escape. This way, trained individuals like law enforcement, with the equipment and training, can effectively deal with the situation without worrying about harming innocent bystanders.

I think generally, the people I meet out on the street and in business are like the people here. Reasonable, intelligent and more likely to buy you a beer at the pub and tell you funny stories and watch a sporting event with you than harm you in any way. In that way, I think Subsim members are a cross section of society. I'm sure my experiences are no different than anyone else here.

Meaning, as August was alluding to I think, that crazy people make up a very small percentage of the population. I know a number of our Subsim members go legally armed and I don't hear of them harming anyone. They do so to protect themselves, their families and possibly others, if they are in harms way. That being said, I'm sure they are as prepared as one can be for the mindless events such as random shootings.

I think if people want to get their aggression's out, they should play a submarine or aerial combat game. Perhaps give whack-a squirrel a go. I would have said watch a Hockey game but the rest of the paused NHL season is in doubt. If they do that, they should pick a winning NHL team to watch or they will be very sad.

[Catfish]

^ Thanks yes, i understand and agree, mostly. I am also not "anti-gun", i can handle a few and also admire craftmanship. It just makes me feel uneasy to see those weapons in civilian life in the hands of people i would call .."unprofessional" for lack of a better word .

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

[...] My point is that if a lunatic like this one is shooting a number of people in one location, then the legally armed individual has a means to defend themselves or at least make them pause long enough so that they and others can be afforded the opportunity to escape. This way, trained individuals like like law enforcement, with the equipment and training, can effectively deal with the situation without worrying about harming innocent bystanders.[...]

Sounds reasonable. So carry a weapon as an emergency means to deal with (hopefully rare) "maniac situations". If all people behave reasonable that may work. But when i look at the US and headlines i doubt the reason in some.

Good ideas anyway
And maybe i indeed misunderstood August here.

[August]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I never said anything about taking guns away from anyone. In fact, I said well armed people make poor targets.

I was agreeing with you and extending the line of reasoning further.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Sure, but if some maniac carries his gun concealed and gets close to his victim, which chance does this armed victim have to act in time, e.g. in a crowd? Mistrust every other human within possible gun range? You are never safe against maniacs.

Guns or no guns, pathological cases will always find a way to wreak havoc. If all have guns they will use explosives like with the Oklahoma city bombing or whatever.

Maybe August 'misunderstood' (intentionally of course), that i moan the shooting of the mass murderer. I do not. But i think it would be good for mankind if it knew what makes those people tick, if only to prevent more of this carnage.

What is this, misunderstand August day? I didn't claim that you moaned (i'm guessing you meant "bemoaned") the shooting of a mass murderer, how the heck did you get that from what I wrote? I was just commenting that if this follows every other mass murder all the psychoanalyzing and fact finding will only serve to inspire the next mass murderer.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by August

I was agreeing with you and extending the line of reasoning further.

Oh, I know August and I was pointing out the soundness of your reasoning as well so it's all good.


I was pointing out that someone that is also armed can in some cases slow down or stop an attack like this. I think you said something similar perhaps a year ago and nothing has changed my mind on that.

Taking weapons from law abiding citizens isn't the answer. Something else I think you said. So, we are on the same page.

With regards to stopping senseless attacks like the one in Nova Scotia, I wish we all knew the answer to that one.

[Onkel Neal]

Canada solves their mass shooting problem

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I liked it a lot. I'm not sure what the answer is and we have discussed this before in this forum. I do know that intelligent, reasonable and sane people that are armed make poor targets.

Yeah, from the front and assuming they have time to react.


But everyone has equal vulnerability from attacks from the rear.


If we could only convince criminals to not only attack from the front but to announce their intentions, we might have something

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Yeah, from the front and assuming they have time to react.


But everyone has equal vulnerability from attacks from the rear.


If we could only convince criminals to not only attack from the front but to announce their intentions, we might have something

all I can say is WOW....