Gun Control thread (merged many) - Page 102

Betonov · 10-04-15, 02:28 PM

What's the fixation with end times with old people.
Fer cryin' out loud, some of us young folk want to live a few more decades.

Torplexed · 10-04-15, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

What's the fixation with end times with old people.
Fer cryin' out loud, some of us young folk want to live a few more decades.

Probably ego. Facing the end of life some people can't imagine a world without them. So, it's gotta be the end for everybody, right? Go figure.

10-05-15, 05:24 PM

11-year-old Tennessee boy shoots 8-year-old girl over argument about puppy

"The boy took the shotgun out of a closet, where it was kept unlocked"

Since stricter gun laws are nonsense, according to most conservatives, the only solution would have been to arm the girl too, so she would have had a chance to defend herself... right?

... do I at least start to get it now?

August · 10-05-15, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

11-year-old Tennessee boy shoots 8-year-old girl over argument about puppy

"The boy took the shotgun out of a closet, where it was kept unlocked"

Since stricter gun laws are nonsense, according to most conservatives, the only solution would have been to arm the girl too, so she would have had a chance to defend herself... right?

... do I at least start to get it now?

I guess you'd feel better if he stabbed her to death?

10-05-15, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I guess you'd feel better if he stabbed her to death?

What? No? I would have preferred a car...

Buddahaid · 10-05-15, 06:46 PM

The gun was not stored legally so the gun owner will face charges. See there is a law.

August · 10-05-15, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

What? No? I would have preferred a car...

Point is this was not a case of kids playing around, this kid had it out for the victim and would just have found another way to do it.

Edit And what Buddahaid said...

10-05-15, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Point is this was not a case of kids playing around, this kid had it out for the victim and would just have found another way to do it.

[citation needed]

August · 10-05-15, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

[citation needed]

You did read more than the title of the article you linked right?

Oberon · 10-05-15, 09:27 PM

The shotgun was in an unlocked cupboard.

Presumably it was either kept loaded or the ammunition was kept in the same cupboard.
This is why such unrestricted gun ownership has a big downside, I know that people would come back with 'You'd be punishing good people for the actions of idiots' but with the amount of children who are caught in this situation either through school shootings or home based incidents/accidents like this surely there is a sacrifice worth making if it will save some lives.
I'm not saying, I state again and again, that guns should be banned, but I think that it should be as easy to get a gun as it is to get a driving license. That you should have to prove to someone that you are a responsible person and you know how to look after your firearm properly and keep it secured properly. This should be something that is monitored as car licenses are, and if you are found in breach of the promise that you made, then you should have your weapon confiscated.
In other words, I would take the weapons away from the father of the child who shot the girl, because if his boy was able to get his hands on the shotgun so easily then he doesn't secure it well enough, and now someones child has paid the price for it. All because of a puppy.

I think, honestly, that that's a step that should be taken, perhaps not the only step since better mental health care and an examination on how the media treats and glorifies spree killers are two things that definitely need addressing, but I think I've found my stance on US gun laws. By all means, keep the guns, but treat them with some respect....and yes, I know that everyone on here will say that they do, but it needs to be made into a more formal situation than just decent practice.

Oh, and don't give me the whole 'If the government knows who has what firearm then they'll be able to take it away when they come to put me in a FEMA death camp (TM)' nonsense because that belongs out there with the people who believe that Sandy Hook was a government operation to enable them to destroy the 2nd Amendment...oh, and 9/11 was an inside job, etc, etc, etc.

Buddahaid · 10-05-15, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by August

You did read more than the title of the article you linked right?

I just read it and the DA, or whoever, has chose not to file charges against the gun owner. I'm wondering when the other shoe is going to fall. Maybe TN is different as regards to leaving loaded guns accessible to minors.

10-06-15, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

...surely there is a sacrifice worth making if it will save some lives.

Hello? Do you even read the thread?
August already informed us that the boy would have stabbed the girl to death if he would not have had a gun, even though the article says nothing in that regard, except "the boy caused trouble before because he teased the girl" uhh, yeah... definitely a psycho who's just waiting to kill her... cause children don't tease or bully and always get along.

It is funny, you get this silly knife or car argument (which is the cheapest strawman of all debates ever) only from radicals who, apparently, under no circumstances are willing to even adjust the restrictions, no matter how many kids die... because knifes... or cars... or moon rocks...

This happens pretty much everywhere... a kid gets his hand on a gun and boom, at least the life of one family is destroyed forever.
Thing is, it happens every few days(!) in the USA (yes yes, only because you are so many, I know...) and maybe every few months or even years in other western countries. I can't even remember the last time it happened here in Germany, or something like that was on thew news.

But please, forgive me... again I forgot that I must not speak about this matter, because I'm not American and it's "none of my business".

August · 10-06-15, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

But please, forgive me... again I forgot that I must not speak about this matter, because I'm not American and it's "none of my business".

Somehow I doubt that you'll keep your promise. What's a German without the ability to self righteously nag everyone?

Julhelm · 10-06-15, 06:54 AM

We have about 1.8 million firearms on a 9 million population here, yet these accidents where kids get their hands on guns have never happened here. But then again any gun owner is required to have a weapon safe to store the guns. The idea that leaving a loaded weapon in a drawer or under the pillow is considered acceptable because there might be a home invasion is frankly absurd.

Betonov · 10-06-15, 08:05 AM

Before you get a gun licence here, the police comes to your house to examine your storage for the gun. If the locker does not meet the standards you are given the reason why it didn't pass and you can re-apply later. You can't get the licence until you prove the police only you can acces it, not the burglar, not children nor anyone that is not you.

10-05-15, 06:46 PM	#1521
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	The gun was not stored legally so the gun owner will face charges. See there is a law. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

10-04-15, 02:28 PM	#1516
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	What's the fixation with end times with old people. Fer cryin' out loud, some of us young folk want to live a few more decades.

10-05-15, 05:24 PM	#1518
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	11-year-old Tennessee boy shoots 8-year-old girl over argument about puppy *"The boy took the shotgun out of a closet, where it was kept unlocked"* Since stricter gun laws are nonsense, according to most conservatives, the only solution would have been to arm the girl too, so she would have had a chance to defend herself... right? ... do I at least start to get it now?

10-05-15, 09:27 PM	#1525
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The shotgun was in an unlocked cupboard. Presumably it was either kept loaded or the ammunition was kept in the same cupboard. This is why such unrestricted gun ownership has a big downside, I know that people would come back with 'You'd be punishing good people for the actions of idiots' but with the amount of children who are caught in this situation either through school shootings or home based incidents/accidents like this surely there is a sacrifice worth making if it will save some lives. I'm not saying, I state again and again, that guns should be banned, but I think that it should be as easy to get a gun as it is to get a driving license. That you should have to prove to someone that you are a responsible person and you know how to look after your firearm properly and keep it secured properly. This should be something that is monitored as car licenses are, and if you are found in breach of the promise that you made, then you should have your weapon confiscated. In other words, I would take the weapons away from the father of the child who shot the girl, because if his boy was able to get his hands on the shotgun so easily then he doesn't secure it well enough, and now someones child has paid the price for it. All because of a puppy. I think, honestly, that that's a step that should be taken, perhaps not the only step since better mental health care and an examination on how the media treats and glorifies spree killers are two things that definitely need addressing, but I think I've found my stance on US gun laws. By all means, keep the guns, but treat them with some respect....and yes, I know that everyone on here will say that they do, but it needs to be made into a more formal situation than just decent practice. Oh, and don't give me the whole 'If the government knows who has what firearm then they'll be able to take it away when they come to put me in a FEMA death camp (TM)' nonsense because that belongs out there with the people who believe that Sandy Hook was a government operation to enable them to destroy the 2nd Amendment...oh, and 9/11 was an inside job, etc, etc, etc.

10-06-15, 06:54 AM	#1529
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 693 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	We have about 1.8 million firearms on a 9 million population here, yet these accidents where kids get their hands on guns have never happened here. But then again any gun owner is required to have a weapon safe to store the guns. The idea that leaving a loaded weapon in a drawer or under the pillow is considered acceptable because there might be a home invasion is frankly absurd.

10-06-15, 08:05 AM	#1530
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Before you get a gun licence here, the police comes to your house to examine your storage for the gun. If the locker does not meet the standards you are given the reason why it didn't pass and you can re-apply later. You can't get the licence until you prove the police only you can acces it, not the burglar, not children nor anyone that is not you.