[WIP] IRAI (Intelligent Random AI) - Page 50

jwilliams · 09-08-10, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by andritsos

question, i have put ur irai mod and the no hydrophone , in an order with others mods, what i noticed is that enemy planes in pedestal attack you ratehr the task force, second you say that there is a mission wolfpacks but in historical mission there is nothing, is my mod activated? i will give you my mod order later as i cant remember it now,
How to use and where when use teh debugger, thanks a lot

I had the same problem with the wolfpack mission showing.... I found that if i loaded an historical mission (eg. pedestal), then quit, then the wolfpack mission, 5 of em, showed up.

I'm guessing its a stock game bug.

Captain Joe · 09-08-10, 03:01 AM

I have noticed something strange on funnel smoke mission that if i torpido carrier even if i hit front of it then propellers drop off and no other hull damage.

Could be reason for speed drop to near 0 then eventually 0 and task force follows suite, Just something i found by chance will test more later.

The General · 09-08-10, 05:57 AM

Um, there is no 'Funnel-Smoke' Single mission in my download of v0.25

Zedi · 09-08-10, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jwilliams

I had the same problem with the wolfpack mission showing.... I found that if i loaded an historical mission (eg. pedestal), then quit, then the wolfpack mission, 5 of em, showed up.

I'm guessing its a stock game bug.

You can delete it and load it separate as a mod from here

TDW, can you make your older versions available again? Like v0.15-17. I really loved those and I miss them. At least until you figure out how to fix the current bugs.

Robin40 · 09-08-10, 09:28 AM

I found CV Illustrious, 2 BB's and 11 dd's

I sank CV Illustrious, then 9 DD's began hunting me

I sat level at 146 mts and stopped

DD's went on hunting me for 36 hrs

Then I reverted to stock and evaded

However I think

Is it realistic that 9 DD'S stay on a silent sub for 36 hrs, leaving warships with only 2 DD's? How long do they stay on place?

Btw,when I evaded before surfacing I got peri depth and found 3 DD's waiting silent for me

Hartmann · 09-08-10, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin40

I found CV Illustrious, 2 BB's and 11 dd's

I sank CV Illustrious, then 9 DD's began hunting me

I sat level at 146 mts and stopped

DD's went on hunting me for 36 hrs

Then I reverted to stock and evaded

However I think

Is it realistic that 9 DD'S stay on a silent sub for 36 hrs, leaving warships with only 2 DD's? How long do they stay on place?

Btw,when I evaded before surfacing I got peri depth and found 3 DD's waiting silent for me

A perfect behaviour for a Hunter killer group

Btw two scorts for 2 battleships is not so bad. still had a good protection

BowfinSS287 · 09-08-10, 05:46 PM

I think your work in the later versions will one day redefine AI as we know it, but until the kill leader bug gets fixed ,your earlier version .17 is the most playable imo...i will look forward to your announcement that you have figured it out or the dev's have informed you to how it supposed to work...Victory at all costs

p.s. the help i can offer....testing and more testing

Ragtag · 09-09-10, 06:58 AM

i love the small surprises in your mods. Just sank a transport and she fired a red flare

Awesome!

TheDarkWraith · 09-09-10, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragtag

i love the small surprises in your mods. Just sank a transport and she fired a red flare

Awesome!

Red flare is not from IRAI....it's from FX_Update mod

Ragtag · 09-09-10, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

Red flare is not from IRAI....it's from FX_Update mod

Well, that one is your's to

Will-Rommel · 09-09-10, 11:00 AM

Hi, just ran into a cruisers task force in the mediteranean, escort of various destroyers and frigates. (Using IRAI 0.0.25)

I decided to let them spot me on the surface, and when 4-5 escorts turned to attack me i ordered crash dive. (the 3 cruisers and 2 escorts sailed away, wich sounds good to me)

Back to the action, i couldnt dive fast enough to avoid pinging so they kind of swarmed over me. The deptcharges runs were very accurate and perfectly orchestred, but somehow they would not drop DC, and if they did, only 1 or 2 at a time.

I guess i don't have to mention that this method was not exactly efficient, as i didnt suffer a single damage and managed to reach 190-220m depth at silent running. The other sad part now was that it seemed i couldnt shake them off, it's early 1941 and i dont have decoys, so i have to outmanoeuver them and it was impossible to do so. I finally suffocated, but we haven't been touched by DC. (Too bad because they were passing over right on target)

I don't know what the best solution would be to solve this, but i'm sure your great mind will get around this one !

Robin40 · 09-09-10, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will-Rommel

Hi, just ran into a cruisers task force in the mediteranean, escort of various destroyers and frigates. (Using IRAI 0.0.25)

I decided to let them spot me on the surface, and when 4-5 escorts turned to attack me i ordered crash dive. (the 3 cruisers and 2 escorts sailed away, wich sounds good to me)

Back to the action, i couldnt dive fast enough to avoid pinging so they kind of swarmed over me. The deptcharges runs were very accurate and perfectly orchestred, but somehow they would not drop DC, and if they did, only 1 or 2 at a time.

I guess i don't have to mention that this method was not exactly efficient, as i didnt suffer a single damage and managed to reach 190-220m depth at silent running. The other sad part now was that it seemed i couldnt shake them off, it's early 1941 and i dont have decoys, so i have to outmanoeuver them and it was impossible to do so. I finally suffocated, but we haven't been touched by DC. (Too bad because they were passing over right on target)

I don't know what the best solution would be to solve this, but i'm sure your great mind will get around this one !

The same to me when I sank CV Illustrious

They sat down over me for 36 hrs...the I reverteed to stock and evaded

Ir appears they would remain over me for days

PL_Cmd_Jacek · 09-11-10, 12:31 PM

I have the question regarding DD sensors at your mod. I made an experiment. Prepare a mission to check hop w good are sensors of DDs. I put DDs with crew from Novice till Elite in one row and check the range of a sensors on a map.

Obviously, depended to the crew a range is different. But what suprised me was how my underwater speed inpact on DDs' sensors.

Look at the screen below:

on 1st speed the range is rather small - it is ok

on the 2nd the range is really larger

but the next level of speed do not influence on sensors anymore

it is all the time the same.

I do not think that this is raelistic. How can I change it ?

edit:

WOOOW, I noticed that it is the same whaen you are surfaced. The visual sensor behave in the same way.

tonschk · 09-11-10, 02:03 PM

Very " intelligent " way to check the performance of the AI, well done

PL_Cmd_Jacek , unless is a random efficiency performance effect included into this AI, who knows ?

TheDarkWraith · 09-11-10, 02:21 PM

There is a 'knee' in the curve of where the AI sensors don't increase effectiveness anymore. I set the knee so that at very slow speeds of your sub you would be able to have some chance of escaping from the escorts. If I set the knee higher then you would be able to use higher bell speeds and your chances of being detected would be slim. Now that's not realistic. So the way I set it was the best compromise that I found during the development of the mod.

09-08-10, 03:01 AM	#737
Captain Joe Seaman Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32 Downloads: 563 Uploads: 0	possible help I have noticed something strange on funnel smoke mission that if i torpido carrier even if i hit front of it then propellers drop off and no other hull damage. Could be reason for speed drop to near 0 then eventually 0 and task force follows suite, Just something i found by chance will test more later.

09-08-10, 05:57 AM	#738
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	Um, there is no 'Funnel-Smoke' Single mission in my download of v0.25 __________________ *THE GENERAL*

09-09-10, 06:58 AM	#743
Ragtag Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 654 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	i love the small surprises in your mods. Just sank a transport and she fired a red flare Awesome! __________________ Intel I7-7800x CPU. 16Gb G.skill DDR4 3600MHz. Asrock Taichi X299 mb Palit RTX 2080Ti. Fortron 1000W PSU. BenQ XR3501R LCD.

09-09-10, 11:00 AM	#746
Will-Rommel Chief Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 320 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Hi, just ran into a cruisers task force in the mediteranean, escort of various destroyers and frigates. (Using IRAI 0.0.25) I decided to let them spot me on the surface, and when 4-5 escorts turned to attack me i ordered crash dive. (the 3 cruisers and 2 escorts sailed away, wich sounds good to me) Back to the action, i couldnt dive fast enough to avoid pinging so they kind of swarmed over me. The deptcharges runs were very accurate and perfectly orchestred, but somehow they would not drop DC, and if they did, only 1 or 2 at a time. I guess i don't have to mention that this method was not exactly efficient, as i didnt suffer a single damage and managed to reach 190-220m depth at silent running. The other sad part now was that it seemed i couldnt shake them off, it's early 1941 and i dont have decoys, so i have to outmanoeuver them and it was impossible to do so. I finally suffocated, but we haven't been touched by DC. (Too bad because they were passing over right on target) I don't know what the best solution would be to solve this, but i'm sure your great mind will get around this one ! __________________ -Fighting is a lifestyle-

09-11-10, 12:31 PM	#748
PL_Cmd_Jacek Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Poland, Bedzin Posts: 121 Downloads: 209 Uploads: 0	speed vs DD sensors I have the question regarding DD sensors at your mod. I made an experiment. Prepare a mission to check hop w good are sensors of DDs. I put DDs with crew from Novice till Elite in one row and check the range of a sensors on a map. Obviously, depended to the crew a range is different. But what suprised me was how my underwater speed inpact on DDs' sensors. Look at the screen below: on 1st speed the range is rather small - it is ok on the 2nd the range is really larger but the next level of speed do not influence on sensors anymore it is all the time the same. I do not think that this is raelistic. How can I change it ? edit: WOOOW, I noticed that it is the same whaen you are surfaced. The visual sensor behave in the same way. __________________ Polish Seamen Clan Last edited by PL_Cmd_Jacek; 09-11-10 at 12:56 PM.

09-08-10, 09:28 AM	#740
Robin40 Chief Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rivoli (Italy) Posts: 310 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	I found CV Illustrious, 2 BB's and 11 dd's I sank CV Illustrious, then 9 DD's began hunting me I sat level at 146 mts and stopped DD's went on hunting me for 36 hrs Then I reverted to stock and evaded However I think Is it realistic that 9 DD'S stay on a silent sub for 36 hrs, leaving warships with only 2 DD's? How long do they stay on place? Btw,when I evaded before surfacing I got peri depth and found 3 DD's waiting silent for me

09-08-10, 05:46 PM	#742
BowfinSS287 Planesman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 185 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 0	I think your work in the later versions will one day redefine AI as we know it, but until the kill leader bug gets fixed ,your earlier version .17 is the most playable imo...i will look forward to your announcement that you have figured it out or the dev's have informed you to how it supposed to work...Victory at all costs p.s. the help i can offer....testing and more testing

09-11-10, 02:03 PM	#749
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	Very " intelligent " way to check the performance of the AI, well done PL_Cmd_Jacek , unless is a random efficiency performance effect included into this AI, who knows ? __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

09-11-10, 02:21 PM	#750
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	There is a 'knee' in the curve of where the AI sensors don't increase effectiveness anymore. I set the knee so that at very slow speeds of your sub you would be able to have some chance of escaping from the escorts. If I set the knee higher then you would be able to use higher bell speeds and your chances of being detected would be slim. Now that's not realistic. So the way I set it was the best compromise that I found during the development of the mod.