The Scottish Independence thread - Yay or Nay?

[Dread Knot]

Could be an interesting and historical 24 hours. This is no ordinary election where you can vote the government out after four years if they screw up. This is a no-return scenario, I assume. Any miscalculations will have permanent consequences.

There's going to be bickering no matter the result, but in the event of a YES vote I suspect the bickering will be a great deal more acrimonious and drawn out. I do expect that whatever happens, whatever the margin, there will be the usual allegations of vote-rigging and ballot box-stuffing. It sounds like there is already an English backlash brewing against the promises that have been made to Scotland by the party leaders in the event of a NO vote.

[Jimbuna]

The vote is so close the undecided portion will tilt the balance one way or the other....that's democracy for you.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The vote is so close the undecided portion will tilt the balance one way or the other....that's democracy for you.

Democracy? Are you voting?

[Rockstar]

Never mind that was a silly question

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The vote is so close the undecided portion will tilt the balance one way or the other....that's democracy for you.

Sorry for being straight, but that is Quatsch. Majority rule is not the essence of democracy. In fact, it is self-destruction of free society.

http://www.mega.nu/ampp/kaz/democracy.html

What is democracy really about? The answers will surpise many people, but by ancient Athen'S example are solid and true:

- before anything else: equality of all before the law, everybody being able to become juror;
- replacing hereditary aristocracy with aristocracy based on wealth(!!) (private property decided which men were seen as "free men" and thus as citizens allowed to participate in the various bodies of administration;

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/g...racyriseof.htm

A very good German introduction is from the "Institut für Wertewirtschaft" and Rahim Taghizadegan:

http://wertewirtschaft.org/analysen/Demokratie.pdf

Modern understanding of what democracy is and means, is very very porked, I'm sorry to say. To declare majority voting the key element of democracy - an argument so very often given and used today - means to mistake democracy with something else: with so-called ochlocracy.

Finally, again my reminder that the Us were founded and intended to be not a democratic republic, to use modern terminology, but an aristocratic republic.

What happens in Scotland tomorrow, is an event where crowds of people will express their decision on one issue with consequences, and the majority will "plow under" the minority, period. Do not call that "democracy", it has little to do with that. It already starts with that a discrimination regarding Scottish people who are eligible to vote is almost non existent. That already is, if you take serious the ancient history of the term and what it meant, not democratic!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Never mind that was a silly question

A silly question answering a silly remark...I was attempting a certain element of sarcasm

Perhaps I should have inserted a smiley Sky

[Buddahaid]

I don't think this found it's way here yet.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I don't think this found it's way here yet.

John Oliver is brilliant.

[Rockstar]

Wookie in a top hat!

[Rockstar]

One thing is for certain. Scots will make out like pretty well after the ice caps melt.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

One thing is for certain. Scots will make out like pretty well after the ice caps melt.

Whew. I thought for a moment that map was a projection of Tory, Labour and Liberal Democrat Party Boss bedwetting in the event of a Yes vote.

[Oberon]

Well...the big day today.

No matter what Scotland decides I will always hold a special place in my heart for the land of my fathers and forefathers. I just hope that the decision is the right one for the people of Scotland, that there is no cutting off of the nose to spite the face.
I can't blame the Scots for their anger against us, they are second only to Ireland in the amount of suffering they have had inflicted against them as a result of English decisions, but I can't help but feel that apart both England and Scotland will be weaker.
So, while I'll support whatever decision they make, I hope in the deepest of my heart that they will stay.



Long may your chimney smoke.

[August]

I think Willie says it all about Scottish Independence.

[Betonov]

In no oil rich country the men wear pants

hmmmmmm

Okey, Norway and Texas are removed from my bucket list

[BossMark]

It looks like the Scottish vote will be tight.

Typical.