This is wrong

STEED · 01-25-07, 05:58 PM

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Children in Britain are having their fingerprints taken at what some parents believe is an alarming rate.

I am not a parent so I wonder what you folks who are think of this? I do not like the way this is sold to the parents and what gives the school the right to go ahead and do this without parents consent.

Big Brother storms the playground

Kapitan_Phillips · 01-25-07, 06:08 PM

I'm a student and I dont mind it much. We recently had a CCTV camera installed in our Sixth Form common room, and there was an uproar from alot of people claiming that they're spying on us.

The thing I say to them is, 'Maybe its because we have two plasma screens, a projector, a pool table and a fussball table and no-one wants them to get nicked.'

We had two men walk into school randomly, go into the staff room, and steal a teachers wallet and keys in the middle of the school day. I dont exactly feel safe, knowing that someone could just walk in off of the street.

I'm not saying we should have barbed wire fencing, minefields and machinegun nests, but security in schools is definatley an issue and needs to be improved anyway.

Tchocky · 01-25-07, 06:19 PM

kapitan_Phillips, I think there's a difference between 6th form CCTV , and fingerprinting kids in primary school. A huge difference. No way should this be tolerated.
Literacy should be a prime goal of education (the prime goal, if you ask me), but you dont needd to fingerprint and photograph 5-year old for that.

Yahoshua · 01-25-07, 06:19 PM

Cameras will do that job.

Fingerprinting is a documentation of who you are.

Do you trust a government employee with all of your personal information at their whim?

I certainly don't.

edjcox · 01-26-07, 12:10 AM

Fingerprints can be used to

Identify you and your remains...

Determinse if you were present at a Crime scene....

When linked with other data can identify you as part of a group organization and having been present at a location where prints are left behind.

Can affirm you are you and not an imposter.....

Are avoided by criminals and terorists as they are means of providing criminal intelligence and tying people to crime, operations, terorist groups etc.

Why are you afraid of being fingerprinted??

You shouldn't be unless......

Nuff said

Tchocky · 01-26-07, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by edjcox

Why are you afraid of being fingerprinted??

You shouldn't be unless......

Nuff said

I'm not afraid of being fingerprinted, I object to being fingerprinted for no reason. Getting a library card for a 5-year old does not require a fingerprint.

Yahoshua · 01-26-07, 12:46 AM

How about Identity theft (as recently happened with the Veterans Administration), unwanted targeted marketing, or somebody selling your name to illegal immigrants who will pose as you and use your identity to live their life and commit crimes?

You aren't worried about any of that?

Or even worse, what if somebody makes a mistake on your records. Can you imagine navigating that god-awful beauracracy and all those hoops and red-tape just to get it fixed?

Suppose somebody in the government doesn't like you? What if that someone really wanted to screw up your life? What better way to do it than by flagging your name for all sorts of fun things that you never did! Or, g-d forbid, the government uses certain criteria against you to label you a "dangerous" individual and round you up for "re-education"? It's not outside the realms of possibility.

Have I made my point yet?

01-25-07, 06:08 PM	#2
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	I'm a student and I dont mind it much. We recently had a CCTV camera installed in our Sixth Form common room, and there was an uproar from alot of people claiming that they're spying on us. The thing I say to them is, 'Maybe its because we have two plasma screens, a projector, a pool table and a fussball table and no-one wants them to get nicked.' We had two men walk into school randomly, go into the staff room, and steal a teachers wallet and keys in the middle of the school day. I dont exactly feel safe, knowing that someone could just walk in off of the street. I'm not saying we should have barbed wire fencing, minefields and machinegun nests, but security in schools is definatley an issue and needs to be improved anyway. __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

01-25-07, 06:19 PM	#3
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	kapitan_Phillips, I think there's a difference between 6th form CCTV , and fingerprinting kids in primary school. A huge difference. No way should this be tolerated. Literacy should be a prime goal of education (the prime goal, if you ask me), but you dont needd to fingerprint and photograph 5-year old for that. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

01-25-07, 06:19 PM	#4
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Cameras will do that job. Fingerprinting is a documentation of who you are. Do you trust a government employee with all of your personal information at their whim? I certainly don't. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

01-26-07, 12:10 AM	#5
edjcox Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Shang Gri La Posts: 219 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Fingerprints Fingerprints can be used to Identify you and your remains... Determinse if you were present at a Crime scene.... When linked with other data can identify you as part of a group organization and having been present at a location where prints are left behind. Can affirm you are you and not an imposter..... Are avoided by criminals and terorists as they are means of providing criminal intelligence and tying people to crime, operations, terorist groups etc. Why are you afraid of being fingerprinted?? You shouldn't be unless...... Nuff said __________________ EJ Cox http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...jcox/usaCa.gif

01-26-07, 12:46 AM	#7
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How about Identity theft (as recently happened with the Veterans Administration), unwanted targeted marketing, or somebody selling your name to illegal immigrants who will pose as you and use your identity to live their life and commit crimes? You aren't worried about any of that? Or even worse, what if somebody makes a mistake on your records. Can you imagine navigating that god-awful beauracracy and all those hoops and red-tape just to get it fixed? Suppose somebody in the government doesn't like you? What if that someone really wanted to screw up your life? What better way to do it than by flagging your name for all sorts of fun things that you never did! Or, g-d forbid, the government uses certain criteria against you to label you a "dangerous" individual and round you up for "re-education"? It's not outside the realms of possibility. Have I made my point yet? __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua