[REL] Real Fleet Boat

[panthercules]

Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

Tater's IJN DC mod is part of RSRDC

Awesome - thanks for the confirmation. One more question though - where do the patrol orders come from (the orders you get to insert agents, patrol areas or engage enemy shipping, etc.) in terms of these various mods. For example, if I'm running RFB 1.31 with Taters ILC activated on top by JSGME (as I have been), are those patrol orders coming from RFB or from the ILC? (or somewhere else?) Will they be different if/when I start using RSRD instead of the ILC?

Reason I ask is that with my RFB/ILC install, I'm getting oddly premature patrol orders (when I start a career on Dec 1, 1941) - stuff like inserting an agent in Manila or deploying to Luzon Straits to engage "enemy" shipping before the war has started . I only just noticed this because I've always started my careers with that RFB/ILC setup on Dec 8th in my testing up to now, but I was going to be doing some weather testing so I wanted a few days without enemy encounters for that and decided to start my test careers on Dec 1st.

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by panthercules

Awesome - thanks for the confirmation. One more question though - where do the patrol orders come from (the orders you get to insert agents, patrol areas or engage enemy shipping, etc.) in terms of these various mods. For example, if I'm running RFB 1.31 with Taters ILC activated on top by JSGME (as I have been), are those patrol orders coming from RFB or from the ILC? (or somewhere else?) Will they be different if/when I start using RSRD instead of the ILC?

Reason I ask is that with my RFB/ILC install, I'm getting oddly premature patrol orders (when I start a career on Dec 1, 1941) - stuff like inserting an agent in Manila or deploying to Luzon Straits to engage "enemy" shipping before the war has started . I only just noticed this because I've always started my careers with that RFB/ILC setup on Dec 8th in my testing up to now, but I was going to be doing some weather testing so I wanted a few days without enemy encounters for that and decided to start my test careers on Dec 1st.

Tater ILC and RSRDC are "NOT" compatible. You try to mix and matches these two mods your going to have "MAJOR" problems. Here the recommended install order.

RFB131, swdw-updated version of RFB 1.31, then RSRDC

[panthercules]

Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

Tater ILC and RSRDC are "NOT" compatible. You try to mix and matches these two mods your going to have "MAJOR" problems. Here the recommended install order.

RFB131, swdw-updated version of RFB 1.31, then RSRDC

Roger that - I wasn't planning to mix the two - I figured I would deactivate ILC before activating RSRD - I was just wondering what mod was the source of these premature belligerent missions before the start of the war (and whether it might be possible to fix them, depending on what their source was).

Your last statement intrigues me though - I have been assuming that the SWDW version was an updated version that included RFB 1.31, and not that it needed to be run on top of (in addition to) the original RFB 1.31 - are you sure you need to activate RFB 1.31 plus the SWDW update, instead of just the SWDW version?

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by panthercules

Roger that - I wasn't planning to mix the two - I figured I would deactivate ILC before activating RSRD - I was just wondering what mod was the source of these premature belligerent missions before the start of the war (and whether it might be possible to fix them, depending on what their source was).

Your last statement intrigues me though - I have been assuming that the SWDW version was an updated version that included RFB 1.31, and not that it needed to be run on top of (in addition to) the original RFB 1.31 - are you sure you need to activate RFB 1.31 plus the SWDW update, instead of just the SWDW version?

Just install RSRDC "last" and you should be fine. RFB131 is generating the Patrol Order. If you enable RSRDC, it will now generate the Patrol Orders

[swdw]

Actually lurker, the update that panther hercules is running is a "test version" .Tater's DC mod is included but as a seperate folder, so either way it'll work PH

[panthercules]

Since I'm using RSRD for RFB, I guess I'll post this here rather than the RSRD thread - anyway, I noted that you had skirted the "premature patrol orders" issue with RSRD by simply having every patrol start after the war has started (I know it says you start December 6th, but by the time you actually report to duty it's already the 7th, the "we're at war" video plays), and so all your mission orders make sense. Not all that much point to starting a week before the outbreak of hostilities, so that solution works OK with me.

However, is there some sort of logic built into the RSRD campaign such that it gives you a new patrol objective every time you radio in a status report? As you can see, I've been at sea about 8 or 9 days, and I've been inundated with patrol orders:



As far as I can tell/remember, it really has been the case that every time I radio in a status report, I get another order to go somewhere else and do something else. Kinda makes me wish for something a little simpler and more direct ("Be more aggressive!" comes to mind ) It does make me wonder, now that I've actually sighted and sunk a couple or three ships during this test patrol - is there any logic in the game to send any sort of congratulatory message when you report a new sinking, instead of (or in addition to) another patrol objective message?

I suspect that in the early war days it probably wasn't uncommon to be getting a lot of changing orders, so maybe this is normal, but it seems pretty wierd. I do really like the actual order messages though - very much better than the ones I was getting before.

[Doolittle81]

Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

[ Here the recommended install order.

RFB131, swdw-updated version of RFB 1.31, then RSRDC

Where do I find/DL the SWDW version of RFB1.31?


EDIT: never Mind....I see now that the SWDW updated version is still being tested.

[swdw]

Originally Posted by Doolittle81

Where do I find/DL the SWDW version of RFB1.31?

The release PH is using was released for testing and he volunteered to test it. What he has is a "development" release that more is being added to the next couple of days. It's why it wasn't released here yet.

A few people have seen my posts on my hardware issues that halted development the last 3 weeks, or there would probably have been a public release this weekend.

Being so new to SH4 I was worried about making changes that would mess things up, so wanted to have a set of testers before making it available to everyone. If you still want it, get it from the testing forum at http://forum.kickinbak.com

Anyone downloading it, please post any issues there as I don't want to clutter this thread quite yet with bug reports.

[swdw]

Originally Posted by panthercules

Since I'm using RSRD for RFB, I guess I'll post this here rather than the RSRD thread - anyway, I noted that you had skirted the "premature patrol orders" issue with RSRD by simply having every patrol start after the war has started (I know it says you start December 6th, but by the time you actually report to duty it's already the 7th, the "we're at war" video plays), and so all your mission orders make sense. Not all that much point to starting a week before the outbreak of hostilities, so that solution works OK with me.

Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

Just install RSRDC "last" and you should be fine. RFB131 is generating the Patrol Order. If you enable RSRDC, it will now generate the Patrol Orders

PH, if you install RSRD last (which you need to for RSRD to run properly), the orders are being generated by RSRD, so the question should probably be posted in that thread.

[Doolittle81]

When I try to install (via JSGME) the RFB 1.31 Mod, it lists about 20 files which are identified as having 'already' been modded by ROW or NSM. What should I do? Just ignore that 'warning'?

[swdw]

Originally Posted by Doolittle81

When I try to install (via JSGME) the RFB 1.31 Mod, it lists about 20 files which are identified as having 'already' been modded by ROW or NSM. What should I do? Just ignore that 'warning'?

For now, Install order is

A. If you want ROW sub changes, order bar, and reflections to have priority
RFB mod
ROW
RSRD

B. If you want RFB sub changes to have priority (will lose ROW order bar ,and sub reflections, CoG changes)
ROW
RFB
RSRD

Working on a fix to make RFB compatible with ROW

You will lose the RFB changes when installing

[Laffertytig]

the remit of RFB is to make it more realistic even if this makes things easier in regards to AI right? does this apply to aircraft as well? patrol in early 42, clear sky at daytime, radar detects a single plane which i assume was jap as it was flyin of the east coast of borneo.

it flew back and forward within 4 k's but never changed course to attack me which was weird. was this just a one off pilot who was partially blind or what?

[swdw]

Originally Posted by Laffertytig

the remit of RFB is to make it more realistic even if this makes things easier in regards to AI right? does this apply to aircraft as well? patrol in early 42, clear sky at daytime, radar detects a single plane which i assume was jap as it was flyin of the east coast of borneo.

it flew back and forward within 4 k's but never changed course to attack me which was weird. was this just a one off pilot who was partially blind or what?

The new team is still catching up on the details of what's in RFB, so we'll have to take a look and see. We know there were changes made to the original aircraft and aircraft patrols, the extent of these changes is what we need to dig in to.

[swdw]

Ok, now's when being a team leader can be unpleasant. There have been posts in the ROW thread dealing with RFB 1.31 and ROW.

Basically, problems with RFB 1.31 and ROW will be given one answer from this thread- switch to RFB for ROW. There's a reason that release is a seperate tree. Not switching is creating problems- both for the user and the modders.

Problems with 1.31 or the upcoming stock release will gladly be answered, as long as you aren't using ROW with those releases. That's why you'll see 2 seperate RFB threads- this one and the RFB for ROW thread.

Furthermore, I've asked Leo to tell people to change over to RFB for ROW who are using 1.31 before troubleshooting any issue in a ROW/RFB install. In fact, I asked him to tell people he won't support RFB 1.31 and ROW problems. If you go through the ROW thread, you'll see time is a very precious commodity for Leo, and we don't need to be wasting the time he has left.

I apologize if this seems antagonistic, it's not meant to be. It is meant to smooth things out for both the user and modders. But you should know I have no problem with getting militant about saving time for LEO. If you appreciate his work, you should feel the same way.

[AVGWarhawk]

No problem swdw. Perhaps you should copy and past the first post by Beery into your new thread that is stickied. Eventually this thread will go by the way side and I will unsticky the thread. Once done, your tree will start fresh on the new thread. Let me know if you would like me to set this up for you.

I did the same for Leo with LBO that was swallowed up by ROW that incorporated LBO. No sense in having to keep an eye on two threads answering the same questions.

Since you have incorporated three major mods perhaps this is the way to go with this thread. Let me know.