[WIP] Officer's Quarters Interior Project - Page 7

Dowly · 10-15-09, 10:57 PM

Amazing work!

Admiral Von Gerlach · 10-17-09, 02:43 AM

wonderful ...this will make up for not being able to finally see the wonderful work that was done on the engine room mod that wont be released now because of SH V i guess. STill havent had an reply on if that were coming out. if this and that both were done it could be almost like having an entire sub. The only complete sub i have seen in a sim so far was the very simplistic one in one of the WWII shooters, i think it was Medal of Honour where they let you into a sub in a subpen. thanks so much for doing this mod.

AOTD_MadMax · 10-18-09, 03:48 AM

Great work !

Greets

Maddy

Rockin Robbins · 10-19-09, 06:09 AM

Don't bet on ANY of the projects not being released. There is plenty of support to get Tomi's stuff published and the will to make it happen. There is lots of support for this Captain America Interior Project and TMO 1.8 is parked in beta version until its completion.

No matter whether SH5 is a great success or a dead duck, SH4 is and will be the premier Pacific submarine simulator and isn't going anywhere. There is no cause to start writing Silent Hunter 4 obituaries just because one modding group threw in the towel. Our success does not depend on them. It never did.

It would have been nice to see GWX4. It is no loss not to, as SH4 is getting better and better every day. The GW promised clickable interiors, Ducimus delivered without any fanfare, glitzy promotion or video previews. The GW promised a more complete interior, others will deliver that and Ducimus already has in a provisional way. There are plenty of talented people here and they are all working together.

I'm excited about iambecomelife's World War I mod! SH5 won't have anything to answer that, will it? SH4 is just fine and will be around for a longer time than some would have you believe. You gotta believe!

Hitman · 10-19-09, 08:02 AM

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SH4 is and will be the premier Pacific submarine simulator and isn't going anywhere

Ahmen to that

For anyone with interest in the US submarines in WW2, SH4 does it and will only get better. SH1 lasted a good amount of years, and SH4 is a worthy enough successor once some rough edges have been sandblasted by modders. We have Silent Editor, we have some great talents here, we have many people with love and interest for the game on the long run ... no, SH4 is not going anywahere. It's here to stay

Admiral Von Gerlach · 10-19-09, 03:01 PM

excellent to hear gentlemen, i am very enheartened by your posts. I admire and respect very much the great work that continues on SH IV and plan to be aboard for the long cruise myself. Thanks very much for the encouragements. I just had asked and not hear about the wonderful engine room work and thought it had gone adrift or run aground.

thanks agian.

Rockin Robbins · 10-20-09, 06:54 AM

You have to realize that all this SH5/SH4 stuff is only going on because Ubi has a lousy business model for submarine simulations. The only way they have to generate income is to trash the old game and sell a new one. And to sell the new one they have to do the "all new code! Brand new from the ground up!" thing, even if that means losing half the advancements they implemented in the last version.

So from Ubi's standpoint, the fact that SH4 is a great game which hasn't seen its prime yet is actually an impediment to their income. It is now even worse than a competitor. Ubi isn't paid to make a great sub simulation. It isn't paid to improve the product. It isn't paid to produce a game with great replay value.

Ubi is paid to do one thing: release a drink coaster that you will tire of quickly so you'll buy the next drink coaster. Turnover is the name of the game because only by new purchases do they get paid. Fact number one of life:

People always do exactly what they are paid to

Think about it the next time you pay a stockbroker. What's he paid to do? He only makes money by churning your stock. He does not get paid to buy you a great stock and let you hold it to make money. In fact, he doesn't care a bit whether you make a return on your stock at all. That isn't what he's paid for. He is only paid to buy and sell stocks for you. Therefore he will work against your interests, continually buying and selling, racking up sales commissions while singing and dancing for your entertainment to keep you distracted from the fact that he is not working for you at all.

Think about that when the finely dressed man comes to your door trying to sell you an annuity. He is not your friend. He is paid very well to take your financial life to the cleaners. As a general rule, the more harmful the annuity is to you, the higher commission he will be paid! When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with the experience ends up with all the money. The man who started with the money ends up with nothing but an experience he won't forget.

Ubi is that way, you know. Their business model is not working for us at all.

donut · 10-20-09, 07:12 AM

Admiral Von Gerlach · 10-20-09, 12:56 PM

Well ys, Actually Ubi is not that well respected about those who study game devel, as you say they have the revovling door philosphy of new product advancement. It is fortunate tho that there is a staunch and stout hearted community here and SH IV is flowering into its prime. Thanks for sharing those thoughts.

Rockin Robbins · 10-20-09, 01:45 PM

BOOM!

Nobody can ever say I'm afraid to share a room with an opinion! I just enjoy the heck out of Silent Hunter 4. I don't wish anything bad for SH5 but I do see it for what it is: a sim that only needs to exist for one reason.

There's a really interesting controversy going on over in the Valve/Steam world, where players of Left 4 Dead are finding that Valve is releasing Left 4 Dead 2. Now some splinter groups are claiming abandonment from a game company which has time after time demonstrated a pro-player stance, even organizing a boycott of L4D2 in the style of KrazyFrenchman over at Ubi forums a couple of years ago.

How dare they release a sequel to a game everybody loved! We shall intimidate them into changing their ways!

So what did Valve do? They sent a nice letter to the leaders of the boycott, paid for airline tickets, motel rooms and a tour of their operation. The prima-donna boycott organizers sold out and now are great cheerleaders for L4D2. Talk about great response by a game company!

Game companies aren't evil. They are conservative, following established business patterns which will to some degree succeed. They are afraid to innovate. Small companies MUST innovate to grow. Large companies are much more afraid to fail than they are willing to succeed. Fear of failure is fear of success. But it is NOT evil.

They think they're protecting their assets. Tell that to Sony, who squished all opposition to Blu-Ray and now is proud sole owner of an overpriced turkey nobody wants to buy. All that bribery and intimidation cash was utterly wasted. They would have been better served to put those assets toward building a superior product for a price that people thought was fair. Gangster tactics, whether in the business world or your personal life, only work for a little while. Then you pay the price for being vastly outnumbered by angry victims.

Hey, back to the subject! Vive le Silent Hunter 4! (spelling is subject to correction). Nose to the grindstone, Sir Captain America. You're working on a winner. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue!

Hitman · 10-20-09, 02:00 PM

Quote:

So what did Valve do? They sent a nice letter to the leaders of the boycott, paid for airline tickets, motel rooms and a tour of their operation. The prima-donna boycott organizers sold out and now are great cheerleaders for L4D2. Talk about great response by a game company!

Some time ago in the XIX century when one of our monarchs governed the executive and shared the power with a parliament, a leftish, prorepublican, anti-monarchy parlamentarian attacked the king and his government frequently with sharp words and painfully accurate observations. The king, already tired of that guy asked one of his ministers -who was a really wise guy- for advice, and the minister seriously said: "Your Majesty, the best way to finish a republican, is to entitle him Marquis". The king appointed the republican Marquis, and yes, he became one of the most loyal pro-monarchists in the parliament

P.S. No wonder we lost an empire!!

donut · 10-20-09, 02:13 PM

Rockin Robbins · 10-20-09, 06:12 PM

We need to give this thread back to Captain America.

Captain America · 10-26-09, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

We need to give this thread back to Captain America.

My house is your house....besides it keeps the room warm while I am away.

I recently came back from my work travels and started hammering out the interior again. She's starting to look real nice....all I can say is that the old renders on the first page look like garbage compared to the lastest version.

Just to give you guys an idea on how little things can slow down a project:

I'm in the process of making the textures for the captain's bed. This is one of the pics that I am using for reference:

Most of the photos I have seen on the net have the same bed sheets as in the photo above. I am assuming that these are the proper "historical" sheets?

The problem was that I couldn't find a single picture (via google) that references that emblem on the sheet. It would have been nice to just cut and paste the actual emblem to make my like easier.....

So I had to make it from scratch:

It took me a while to make since I am not really good at drawing. Its off/inaccurate but it gets the job done. This is just a sample of the little things that can slow work down.

Hitman · 10-26-09, 02:45 PM

AWESOME MAN, AWESOME!

10-17-09, 02:43 AM	#92
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	wonderful ...this will make up for not being able to finally see the wonderful work that was done on the engine room mod that wont be released now because of SH V i guess. STill havent had an reply on if that were coming out. if this and that both were done it could be almost like having an entire sub. The only complete sub i have seen in a sim so far was the very simplistic one in one of the WWII shooters, i think it was Medal of Honour where they let you into a sub in a subpen. thanks so much for doing this mod. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

10-18-09, 03:48 AM	#93
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Great work ! Greets Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

10-19-09, 06:09 AM	#94
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Don't bet on ANY of the projects not being released. There is plenty of support to get Tomi's stuff published and the will to make it happen. There is lots of support for this Captain America Interior Project and TMO 1.8 is parked in beta version until its completion. No matter whether SH5 is a great success or a dead duck, SH4 is and will be the premier Pacific submarine simulator and isn't going anywhere. There is no cause to start writing Silent Hunter 4 obituaries just because one modding group threw in the towel. Our success does not depend on them. It never did. It would have been nice to see GWX4. It is no loss not to, as SH4 is getting better and better every day. The GW promised clickable interiors, Ducimus delivered without any fanfare, glitzy promotion or video previews. The GW promised a more complete interior, others will deliver that and Ducimus already has in a provisional way. There are plenty of talented people here and they are all working together. I'm excited about iambecomelife's World War I mod! SH5 won't have anything to answer that, will it? SH4 is just fine and will be around for a longer time than some would have you believe. You gotta believe! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

10-19-09, 03:01 PM	#96
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	excellent to hear gentlemen, i am very enheartened by your posts. I admire and respect very much the great work that continues on SH IV and plan to be aboard for the long cruise myself. Thanks very much for the encouragements. I just had asked and not hear about the wonderful engine room work and thought it had gone adrift or run aground. thanks agian. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

10-20-09, 06:54 AM	#97
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	You have to realize that all this SH5/SH4 stuff is only going on because Ubi has a lousy business model for submarine simulations. The only way they have to generate income is to trash the old game and sell a new one. And to sell the new one they have to do the "all new code! Brand new from the ground up!" thing, even if that means losing half the advancements they implemented in the last version. So from Ubi's standpoint, the fact that SH4 is a great game which hasn't seen its prime yet is actually an impediment to their income. It is now even worse than a competitor. Ubi isn't paid to make a great sub simulation. It isn't paid to improve the product. It isn't paid to produce a game with great replay value. Ubi is paid to do one thing: release a drink coaster that you will tire of quickly so you'll buy the next drink coaster. Turnover is the name of the game because only by new purchases do they get paid. Fact number one of life: People always do exactly what they are paid to Think about it the next time you pay a stockbroker. What's he paid to do? He only makes money by churning your stock. He does not get paid to buy you a great stock and let you hold it to make money. In fact, he doesn't care a bit whether you make a return on your stock at all. That isn't what he's paid for. He is only paid to buy and sell stocks for you. Therefore he will work against your interests, continually buying and selling, racking up sales commissions while singing and dancing for your entertainment to keep you distracted from the fact that he is not working for you at all. Think about that when the finely dressed man comes to your door trying to sell you an annuity. He is not your friend. He is paid very well to take your financial life to the cleaners. As a general rule, the more harmful the annuity is to you, the higher commission he will be paid! When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with the experience ends up with all the money. The man who started with the money ends up with nothing but an experience he won't forget. Ubi is that way, you know. Their business model is not working for us at all. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 10-20-09 at 01:30 PM.

10-15-09, 10:57 PM	#91
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Amazing work!

10-20-09, 07:12 AM	#98
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Double RR, why don't you just shoot from the hip !

10-20-09, 12:56 PM	#99
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	Well ys, Actually Ubi is not that well respected about those who study game devel, as you say they have the revovling door philosphy of new product advancement. It is fortunate tho that there is a staunch and stout hearted community here and SH IV is flowering into its prime. Thanks for sharing those thoughts. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

10-20-09, 01:45 PM	#100
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	BOOM! Nobody can ever say I'm afraid to share a room with an opinion! I just enjoy the heck out of Silent Hunter 4. I don't wish anything bad for SH5 but I do see it for what it is: a sim that only needs to exist for one reason. There's a really interesting controversy going on over in the Valve/Steam world, where players of Left 4 Dead are finding that Valve is releasing Left 4 Dead 2. Now some splinter groups are claiming abandonment from a game company which has time after time demonstrated a pro-player stance, even organizing a boycott of L4D2 in the style of KrazyFrenchman over at Ubi forums a couple of years ago. How dare they release a sequel to a game everybody loved! We shall intimidate them into changing their ways! So what did Valve do? They sent a nice letter to the leaders of the boycott, paid for airline tickets, motel rooms and a tour of their operation. The prima-donna boycott organizers sold out and now are great cheerleaders for L4D2. Talk about great response by a game company! Game companies aren't evil. They are conservative, following established business patterns which will to some degree succeed. They are afraid to innovate. Small companies MUST innovate to grow. Large companies are much more afraid to fail than they are willing to succeed. Fear of failure is fear of success. But it is NOT evil. They think they're protecting their assets. Tell that to Sony, who squished all opposition to Blu-Ray and now is proud sole owner of an overpriced turkey nobody wants to buy. All that bribery and intimidation cash was utterly wasted. They would have been better served to put those assets toward building a superior product for a price that people thought was fair. Gangster tactics, whether in the business world or your personal life, only work for a little while. Then you pay the price for being vastly outnumbered by angry victims. Hey, back to the subject! Vive le Silent Hunter 4! (spelling is subject to correction). Nose to the grindstone, Sir Captain America. You're working on a winner. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 10-20-09 at 01:57 PM.

10-20-09, 02:13 PM	#102
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It's called, give them a peanut the'll follow you home

10-20-09, 06:12 PM	#103
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	We need to give this thread back to Captain America. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

10-26-09, 02:45 PM	#105
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	AWESOME MAN, AWESOME! __________________ One day I will return to sea ...